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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:06 pm
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Oh yeah, Eric can still play. His tone kinda goes in and out of focus, but never even remotely touches the Beano tone or Cream with those KT66s ripping away! Both Gibson humbuckers, or was Beano a P-90 on that LP?

Clapton through the '57 Twin is pretty blah. Midrangey, mushy. Doesn't speak with any authority.


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It took me forever to find out what the Beano album is. I had the John Mayall's Bluesbreakesr with Eric Clapton Tape. There's no way you could tell he was reading a Beano comic in a picture that small. Couldn't even tell on the CD cover. I like learning something new everyday.

I agree, his tone was better back in those days, and whatever he used with his black Tele on 461 Ocean Blvd was a good tone, also.

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:56 pm
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Every Brit knows Beano, they're like the Anglo-Simpsons.

To be fair on Beano, some of the tone comes from the tube preamp in the mixing desk and maybe the tube in the mic, and the tubes in the compressor/limiter. Plus you've got that legendary Brit EQ working on the mixing desk.

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But for those who love the Beano and Cream tone, be aware that the commonality there was Gibson humbuckers blasting through KT66 power tubes. Surprising that American amp manufacturers haven't picked up on this amazing-sounding tube! The only amp you can easily get a KT66 in is the new Peavey Windsor Studio that lets you just shove one in without re-biasing.


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Maruuk wrote:
Surprising that American amp manufacturers haven't picked up on this amazing-sounding tube! The only amp you can easily get a KT66 in is the new Peavey Windsor Studio that lets you just shove one in without re-biasing.


Isn't a KT66 just the UK name of the 6L6?

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Yes and no. They require slightly different biasing (except in a single-ended Class A config) and have slightly different characteristics. From the Tube Store review of the new JJ KT66 (and a warning to Fender owners):

The JJ has got to be the most rugged tube I’ve seen in years. The construction reminds me of a GE 6550, including the metal base ring. JJ chose not to follow other KT66 makers by ignoring any physical resemblance to the original British tubes. This is actually a good thing in many respects. The bottle on this tube is 6550 diameter and height. The glass bottle on my sample was very thick and well formed. The Chinese and Russian variants use two sets of supports for the plate structure while the JJ has a third support element in the very top of the bottle. It’s hard to see but very effective when combined with the thick glass and heavy base, leaving very little room for microphonics. The tone is very balanced and centered around some thick warm midrange tones. It handles high and lower voltages on the plates equally with no problems biasing. The large flat base is just like a 6550 including the metal base ring that is internally connected to pin one. This is a red flag for Fender owners. A 6L6 doesn’t use pin one and Fender usually ties the input grid resistors from pin 1 to 5 for easy mounting. If this tube is inserted into a Fender or other amp using pin one as a tie off point problems will result. In this particular case shorting the input grid signal and bias voltage to ground if you have the standard retaining clip. A tech can work around this quite easily, but check before you buy. Tonally these tubes rock, literally. A pair of these tubes can be biased to deliver crystal clean that will thicken into juicy crunch when pushed into overdrive. If you like 6550’s in your Marshall (many do) this tube would be an excellent choice for an alternate. Of all the KT series tubes on the market this is my choice for classic rock and they are definitely built for the road.


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I agree with much of what many of you have already said. Just a footnote about John Mayer. When I hear the music he puts out on the radio, he does not come off as one of the greats. When you see him play live however; this guy oozes the Blues and may well be remembered as one of the greats. I saw him on tv with Buddy Guy a while back and he was amazing. He seems to be one of those guys that puts out contemporary recordings to please the masses, but when he is live he really cuts loose. I think his records focus on his voice, but I would really like to see him put out an album the focuses on his guitar playing. Then we would have a better idea of how history will treat him. I have never purchased a John Mayer album, but if he ever does produce a record that really showcases his playing ability, I will be in line to buy that one.


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Clapton is a pop icon not because of blues but because of crap like Wonderful Tonight and covers like Cocaine and girly songs like Tears in Heaven. Imagine SRV singing "Circus".

SRV was a bluesman. Buddy Guy and John Lee Hooker and Albert King and Muddy Waters and Little Walter were or are living and dying by, for and about the Blues. They define Bluesman.

John Mayer is a cute middle-class pop star mega-millionaire who occasionally plays blues. Big difference.

One is an awesome cultural folk hero who rose from rage, abject poverty, discrimination, self-loathing and $40 a week to make the highest art form America has yet produced.

The other had a $50 an hour teacher starting at age 7 teach him all the licks and scales that the guys who suffered like slaves produced from their hellish journey through segregation, violence, alcoholism and indifference to their art.

One will always be a bluesman. That is written in blood and sweat but no tears on the walls of every beer-soaked juke joint and dingy dance hall across the years.

The other will always be a cute, then aging, then forgotten pop star. Written in disappearing pixels on forums.


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All respect to Maruuk, and some of his excellently idiosyncratic views. In my humble opinion, Eric Clapton never sounded better than he does on Riding With The King. The playing is muy muy excellente - speed like SRV but so much finesse. The tone is like if glass could scream and cry. Never better than then.

The Cream tone is good, of course, but imho it lacks the otherworldly screaming glass unreal tone that Clapton has been getting now with his Strat and amp set up. It's beautiful check it out for yourself sometime.


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ahhhh the world is full of clowns....keep smiling


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Nobody is saying Clapton doesn't play the blues great. Though you gotta be kidding about this wimpy mushtone he's got going out of the '57 Twin. As dull and brown and generic as the tweed on the amp. John Mayer destroys him tone-wise whenever they swap solos.

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HAHAHA

so what is that you do again???


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How many of you fit into a Volkswagon? That's amazing!


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dunno never sat in one

heres one for you///

is googling for info the correct way to make others believe?


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Living an actual life in the business is a good start. Wasting time on personal attacks is a good way to never have an actual life in the business. Play more, whine less.


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Play more, whine less. Excellent advice!

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Living an actual life in the business is a good start. Wasting time on personal attacks is a good way to never have an actual life in the business. Play more, whine less.


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