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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:42 pm
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And repeating the same riffs that were fresh 40 years ago!


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I hate to be disagreeable, but the olny thing fresh about those riffs were the Guitars They were being played on. You can hear those riffs and Intervals in Benny Goodman, Lionel Hampton. Louis Armstrong, Stephen Foster, John Philip Sousa, George M. Cohan.

Ritchie Blackmore got his Smoke on the Water Riff from listening to some Jazz-Organist named Graham Bond playing a Ramsey Lewis song called "Wade in the Water". So much for Fresh.

Jimi Hendrix was playing T-Bone who was Playing Wes Montgomery who was Playing Charlie Christian who was trying to play the Horn lines he heard in Dixieland.

A nice slow ballad with sorrowful lead lines like "Wonderful Tonight" sounds an awful lot like "Beautiful Dreamer" to me.

If you want Sharp Lead Stabs over a Busy Bass line and Froceful Ryhthm, You can't beat "The Washington Post March".

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The only thing fresh about a sickening pop-shmaltz sop like "Wonderful Tonight" are the crisp $1,000 bills Clapton stuffed into his pocket after selling out with it. Gag me with a spoon.

Clapton went waaaaaaaaay beyond his mentor Freddie King on the Beano album. And Charlie Christian originally played "Purple Haze" and "Foxy Lady" exactly when?

That's like saying somebody once played the same notes so they're not new. The late 60's completely redefined pop music. And it hasn't budged since. Most of the heroes of that era are dead, and guys like Mayer make a lot of money regurgitating dead guys' music. More power to em. But let's not worship em for it.


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But do you know anyone who's not reguratating someone else's music?

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Precisely the problem. Where are the Jimis, the Claptons, the Jeff Becks, the SRVs...innovators and revolutionaries, the true originals for today? That was all 40 years ago, and now it just keeps backwashing around endlessly. Aren't kids today disgusted with having to take 40 year old sloppy seconds from a bunch of old men recycled slavishly by young men as "tribute" players?

Rock n Roll is long dead. Get over it and get on with it. Make something new. Stop stealing everything from my generation and slapping your name on it. Get off the PS3 for 10 minutes and ponder how to do for electric guitar oriented music what the urban streets dudes did for two turntables and a bunch of samples and a a buncha rhymes.

Why in 2008 is hip hop still the only valid musical revolution since the late 60's? And even hip hop is by now hopelessly old and lame and self-referential.

I leave you with a simple comparison: Jan. 22 1968 #1 song in America "Purple Haze".

Jan. 22 2008 #1 song in America "Low" by Flo Rida with T Pain. 'Nuff said.


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Maruuk wrote:
I leave you with a simple comparison: Jan. 22 1968 #1 song in America "Purple Haze".

Jan. 22 2008 #1 song in America "Low" by Flo Rida with T Pain. 'Nuff said.


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I leave you with a simple comparison: Jan. 22 1968 #1 song in America "Purple Haze".

Jan. 22 2008 #1 song in America "Low" by Flo Rida with T Pain. 'Nuff said.

And Charlie Christian originally played "Purple Haze" and "Foxy Lady" exactly when?


Flo Rita and T Pain are the result of Change for the sake of Change. If they had a root in the music you'd like to see die, they would be a lot better off. I grew up in the '80s. I've seen music try to be different for no good reason. You got Depeche Mode, Erasure, Franky Goes to Hollywood....man, it was sickening. Kids like me , who listened to Blues and Classic Rock, and my friends who listened to Metal, in self defence, brought aroung the much needed resurgance of Rock and Blues. Metal is still around because it ebraced Blues and Clasical elements, thereby attaching it to the Great Musical Chain that started in the Renaissance.

I can find you a Benny Goodman song that has an E7 G A progression. It might take me most of tommorow, as I have to work and listen to 5 benny goodman disks (no problem there, he's been a fave since I was around Eight). It might not be Charlie Christinan as he died early in the bands career, but Benny always picked the best Guitar players.

Please accept my appologies in advance, as this could be construde as a Personal attack. But I feel I need to say, that it's just a little arrogant to lay claim to a Genre of music, deny it's connection to the music that spawned it, then declare it dead. No one gets to tell unborn ears that music needed to change berfore they can hear it.

Then to denouce the Flo Rita and T Pain for trying to do just what you've said no one is doing, which is "Something New". Does this New Music have to sound good to you?

I've said it before and I'll say it every time I need to; Like Classical Music, Blues, Rock, and Metal will be experimented with, expounded upon, and it's traditions kept alive for Decades (probably even Centuries). And if you feel somehow responsible for a small part of it's golden age, shouldn't you like to see it Live On?

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American popular music isn't just stagnant...it's rotting! And electric guitar music has devolved into a karaoke farce: a bunch of technically proficient players showing off their frantic and sad old 60's riffs on top of pre-digested 60's rhythm tracks in front of a bunch of appreciative howling drunks.

It's fun and instructive when we do that on a G-DEC. Pathetic when that's the best the culture has to offer. We can do better!


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I disagree, CAFeathers.

Eric Clapton, BB King, and Buddy Guy have all noted and praised John Mayer's talent...and Eric Clapton only invites the greates guitar players in the world to his Crossroads event. I do not think that John Mayer will be so soon forgotten.

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The point of the Crossroads Festival is to make money. It's a profit deal for the center. Mayer attracts teenyboppers in droves. Which = $.

If Clapton actually invited the best guitarists in the world, he wouldn't get to play since he can't solo over changes. They'd all be JAZZ players. Clapton would be lost at the first diminished 13th chord. He can't even read music. And he's clinically deaf.

Mayer is a really good tribute band guitarist. Tribute to Stevie Ray. Tribute to Jimi. He doesn't even bother to play tribute to Clapton, since his stuff is way less distinctive and less flashy. The teenyboppers wouldn't get it.

Sorry Gen Z, you're gonna have to do vastly better than pretty boy Johnnie to say you've got a legit legend from out of your slacker, copycat Borg-like ranks.


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Man i have been reading this forum for some time and i hear alot of things. There are alot of good points. To say a music is dead too me is so inacurate. I mean to quote a line froma great movie "Monte Walsh" with lee marvin " if there is one cowboy pushing one cow then there will always be a need fo the cowoby," That saying is true in music. We are all on here arguing over if JM is the next SRV, i say who cares. He is a good somg writer and an above avg guitar player. I am an above avg guitar player, guys like MR. Feathers and Crying strat are above avg players i am sure. But what is the point of all of this. Who relaly cares is JM's music will be aroung in 50years, most of wont be. If the music affects one kid to guy buy a fender guitar, then that kid might be the next guitar god. That is whht is important. There is a suburb school in Dallas that spent 35 million dollars on a new football stadium and the band doesnt even have an aditourim to put on a show in. What is wrong with that. We need to quit worrying about who is the next guitar god, cause it aint us and help music stay alive. all music if it is chant, or big band, or bop, or delta blues, western swing, old coutry, texas country new country, marching band music or classical, what ever it is, we need to support it and bring all music alive. not let it die!!! Think about this.

And on another note, i remember when Mayer came out and everyone i knew thought that he would be a dave matthews band clone. I guess we ahere all wrong about that. He is doing thins a little different thatn the main stream, in he re inventeing the wheel, no. SRV is my all time fave. did he re invent the whell no. They just took the whell and made it there own. there are so few guitar slingers now unlike it was in the 60's and 70's that we are starving for a guy with a strat to blow us away. We And i find t funny that the name Kenny Wayne Sheppard ahsnt come up in all of this, he is a theif!!!


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I have to agree with Flamekaster. We should be trying to keep music alive.
I was in the High School marching Band and Graduated in 1990. The music program in my School ended in 1992. It gave way to a Sporting Apes that teach children winning is more important than your Ham String.

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I think this thread has just about covered all the bases. To me the bottom line is:
If you don't like Mayer, don't listen to him.

I just don't see the reason for bashing a guy for doing what everyone of us here would like to do...get rich playing our instruments. Like him or not, he's got some kind or draw, that essence of stardom... we don't and that's that.

I can't imagine anyone here would like (or could handle) the nit picking scrutiny that Mayer has endured for simply liking to play and being lucky enough to be paid well for it.

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I can't imagine anyone here would like (or could handle) the nit picking scrutiny that Mayer has endured for simply liking to play and being lucky enough to be paid well for it.


John Mayer has to be able to take it, as would any of us if we Get or Had Gotten there. The price of fame is Critisizm. I was never handled with kid gloves by the audience when I was busting my hump on the local bar circuit. It's all part of the Trial by Fire, and if he folds under scrutiny (which I don't think he will, too many people like him a lot) he doesn't deserve the record deal, let alone the Fame.

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I can't imagine anyone here would like (or could handle) the nit picking scrutiny that Mayer has endured for simply liking to play and being lucky enough to be paid well for it.


John Mayer has to be able to take it, as would any of us if we Get or Had Gotten there. The price of fame is Critisizm. I was never handled with kid gloves by the audience when I was busting my hump on the local bar circuit. It's all part of the Trial by Fire, and if he folds under scrutiny (which I don't think he will, too many people like him a lot) he doesn't deserve the record deal, let alone the Fame.


Oh yeah. I remember I played solo one night (just me and a Takamine 12 string) in a small pub in Princeton, NJ. I played my heart out, poured out all the emotion I could without crying. After my set I'd thought I'd kicked butt. I was getting lots of kudos and then two couples came over and told me I sucked totally....and dude, they really meant it. There's always going to be someone who hates what your doing.

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