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Post subject: Hendrix to SRV to Mayer
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:48 am
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Here's the deal...


1. Hendrix changed the world of music as we know it in 1967 with "Are You Experienced?". He was the next generation of guitarists all wrapped into one.

2. Stevie Ray Vaughan ignited a blues revival in the eighties, and furthered the generation, but I think that, instead of stealing from Hendrix, he made the guitar all his own, creating an immediately identifiable tone. Yes, he did play Hendrix tunes, A LOT, but he didn't steal from him.

3. I tend not to lean towards John Mayer as one of the great blues guitarists of our time, as well as one of the great rock guitarists. Yes, he was influenced by both Hendrix and SRV, but his music doesn't reflect that in many of his songs.

So, I guess my point is that neither Stevie Ray or John Mayer stole from Hendrix, but are completely different artists.




................man, I am glad I got that off my chest...................


I also think that SRV was the best guitar player to ever live. Just saying!


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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:07 pm
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I agree with all that. I kinda think that music has reached a point where it really can't go any further without repeating the past. The eighties was the highest level achieved (totally different), and now it seems that everybodies taste has turned back to the 50's, 60's and 70's, which is fine in my opinion, those were the eras that I love.

It's almost like everything has already been done, tones and styles and things like that, and there's nothing else left. All we can do now is repeat, but give it a little different flavor and call it our own.


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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:35 pm
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I kinda see it as the later guitarists point an audience to the greatness of those before him that we might have missed.

In the case of John Mayer, he pointed me to "The Meters" with his version Cissy Strut, a band I had never checked out...

Just my 2 cents.


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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:48 pm
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Miles Davis said he always wanted to play with Jimi, never got the chance. He recognized Jimi as a true innovator, a wild man who transcended genres, who crossed over into new harmonies and colors all his own. Something that guys in jazz like Coltrane and Sun Ra and Monk and Miles himself were free to do in the context of jazz. Jimi scared folks at first just like Ravel and Wagner and Webern and Jack Kerouac scared folks. All way ahead of their time.

SRV was an innovator much more INSIDE the folk idiom of blues. Sure he played some jazzy stuff, but mostly when he was copping Jimi. And Jimi had a natural jazz thing going on in his use of freely improvised harmonic structure and textural boldness. But SRV was a genius FOLK artist in the sense of structure, and blues being a folk art, it has much more stringent harmonic rules. SRV kept to the rules, but was so brilliant at executing within the strict folk idiom, he dominates it even today, far more than Clapton who moved into a safe pop format.

Speaking of which, that's where John Mayer is, in the safe, profitable, mass-market pop world. He couldn't scare a flea. Nothing remotely innovative or ahead-of-his-time about him. Doesn't mean he's not a brilliant guitar player, he is. But that's what he is in this context, a guitar player. His songs will be long forgotten by the time he's in his 50's. And as a guitar player, he borrows heavily from Jimi and SRV and Clapton and whoever. Every town has at least one brilliant John Mayer-level guitarist. I have one right here in Salinas. He drives a fertilizer truck.

Miles will be long remembered, as will Jimi and Coltrane and Monk. Because they added brand new notes and searing personas to the score of Life. Guys like Clapton and SRV will fade fairly quickly from memory in coming years, because they didn't add notes, as iconic and brilliant as they were.

Guys like John Mayer won't even be a footnote 15 years from now. Basically, the Frampton Live of 2022.


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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:04 pm
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I still do not know John Mayer as well as I should but I have to say way to put it down in writing! :)
I'm impressed :p

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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:56 pm
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Gonna resurrect this thread to say that just as SRV pointed me to Jimi, and Mayer to the Meters, Henry Garza reminded me of my dad's tunes when I was a kid and how cool Ronnie Milsap is...

I swear Smokey Mountain Rain was meant for a Strat...


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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:18 pm
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Jimi was a black blues guitar player, but he didn't follow the rules. That made Hendrix a rock and roll guitar player, because the rules were loose there and a lot of those white guitar players weren't too good, mainly the famous ones, or barely played, like Elvis. See, Hendrix as a blues artist wasn't doing it the blues way where if you're playing blues in "a" you solo in "a" and that gives a lot of room because that's a big scale and it's up and down the fret board and guys like BB King and Buddy Guy and yes Clapton blow it out of the house. Jimi would make up new rules, copping songs from Dylan for the great lyrics and then remaking them and doing something different, and he might solo across different keys instead of staying home. Clapton is a great white blues guitar player, and he follows the rules. That makes Clapton a rock and roller because that's what the music business called white blues guitar players then.

Bottom line: Blues is rock and roll and rock and roll is blues. Clapton imho is a great blues guitar player. So is BB King, Buddy Guy, Cray and Hendrix. Clapton can play circles around Hendrix, and that's what Clapton does. He's a virtuoso guitar artist. Give a listen to "Riding With The King" and you'll hear why he is so great. Clapton also is a tremendous songwriter and wrote many great tunes that are part of the soundtrack of the western world. Hendrix was unique and creative and gone too soon, and I love what he did. They all owe a big debt to BB King, one of the original post-war virtuoso guitar players and composers. He was writing Cream solos in 1955. Clapton honors him and is right in the same line. Ranking these guys is just something we do when we can't play their stuff. They are great guitar players and that's something special when you really listen to what they can do and how they express themselves. Love to play their stuf.


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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:47 am
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Im at work here but I just wanted to kinda throw somthing out there... do you think that SRV and Jimmi Hendrix popularity may be somewhat contributed to their deaths early in thier career?


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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:49 am
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I think that is true with any of the arts- I'm sure if Jimi were still alive his cloned Woodstock Strat would not have auctioned off for, what was it -1.3 million?
Kinda sad that sometimes it's not until after they're gone that we give them their due.


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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:12 pm
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"Once you're dead you're made for life" -Quote from Hendrix himself.

The emphasis is on what dead rock stars accomplished in the little time they had to accomplish it. Had they all lived as long as Clapton, the emphasis on great accomplishment in little time would be less notable. For example, if Hendrix was still alive, we would be less focused on the time frame involving his career in the latter half of the sixties, and more focused on his lengthy career. But he died, and we praise him. And we do so rightfully; he DID do a lot for music in a little time.


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mthomps07 wrote:
"Once you're dead you're made for life" -Quote from Hendrix himself.

The emphasis is on what dead rock stars accomplished in the little time they had to accomplish it. Had they all lived as long as Clapton, the emphasis on great accomplishment in little time would be less notable. For example, if Hendrix was still alive, we would be less focused on the time frame involving his career in the latter half of the sixties, and more focused on his lengthy career. But he died, and we praise him. And we do so rightfully; he DID do a lot for music in a little time.


This is true!!! good point...


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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:21 pm
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I don't understand how so many people can put John Mayer in the same league as Jimi and SRV. Mayer will soon be forgotten, Jimi and SRV will be remembered forever.

Personally I really don't think there are too many guitarists that are in the same league with Jimi and SRV.

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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:29 pm
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I think Maruuk said it earlier- the ones that are remembered are the ones that contributed something to the genre-those like Jimi and Stevie and BB who were innovative and forged into new territory- the ones who play it safe are just good guitar players- and God knows there are a gazillion good guitar players out there. Although I have to say even though some may feel Clapton played it safe- I think he is an exception- he was still innovative and even today elicits much respect from me.


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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:33 pm
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Clapton is an exception. Early in his career he was innovative and had fresh ideas. He is one of a few that played with both Jimi and SRV. Later in his career he has played it safe.

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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:43 pm
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agreed- and ya know, I don't fault him for that either- he worked hard, he deserves it :)
I know when he lost his son and wrote "Tears" it broke my heart watching him sing it - if you have kids you can feel his pain.


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