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Post subject: The Stones or Susan Boyle
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:42 am
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Another classic song covered by a TV talent show contestant?

Which version of The Rolling Stones song Wild Horses do you prefer?

And do you think TV talent shows are killing music or are good for music?

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http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/pages/wild_horses


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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:04 am
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OK We have to keep it real here .lol The woman has an amazing voice but that alone does not cut it. Rock and Roll is about attitude and how a song is delivered, and her version does not come close for this to even be debatable. This is on par with Celine Dion doing You Shook me All night Long. On the other hand I would not want to hear AC/DC doing the Theme from Titanic.


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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:10 am
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straycat113 wrote:
On the other hand I would not want to hear AC/DC doing the Theme from Titanic.


Oh, I dunno... :lol:

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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:32 am
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And do you think TV talent shows are killing music or are good for music?


You mean like francoamerican idol? :P

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Post subject: Re: The Stones or Susan Boyle
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:46 am
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Spiritinthesky wrote:
Which version of The Rolling Stones song Wild Horses do you prefer?


The version from the movie "Fear".

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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:54 am
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And do you think TV talent shows are killing music or are good for music?


You mean like francoamerican idol? :P


I dont know if TV talent shows are killing music, but having Ellen Degeneres as a judge just might kill American Idol.

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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:05 am
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Talent shows like "American Idol" are not hurting or helping music: they actually have nothing to do with music. They're "reality" game shows, as culturally relevant as "Survivor."

Susan Boyle's version of "Wild Horses" was not record to replace or be compared to the Rolling Stones version. Fortunately, there is no Official Panel of Music that decides which version of any song is "optimal," and allow the public to hear just that one.

Ellen DeGeneres has massive appeal among the "American Idol" demo. Her addition will help the show, not hurt it.


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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:40 am
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Susan Boyle's version of "Wild Horses" was not record to replace or be compared to the Rolling Stones version. Fortunately, there is no Official Panel of Music that decides which version of any song is "optimal," and allow the public to hear just that one.

Moreover, the very idea of an "official" version of a given song is a relatively new phenomenon. Prior to widespread use of radio and phonograph in the 1920s, the "music industry" was devoted almost exclusively to the printing of sheet music. Thus, if you wanted to hear music, you had to play it yourself or go someplace where it was being played. Every dance band had to be conversant in all the popular tunes of the day. Even when bands and individual artists did start to record, it was not uncommon for a given song to be put out by several different performers on different labels. Today we are used to the idea of recorded music, but it has created a society of people for whom music is a passive entertainment rather than an active experience. I find this sad.

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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:01 am
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RR once again mate your bang on the money. I myself dont listen to that much music. Primarily because I find that I dont enjoy it when other things are going on. I'd also disagree that it isnt hurting the music scene, atleast locally. The local crazy saw me carving a neck out in my backyard. He asked me the price to build him a guitar. I gave him a ridiculous amount (just to discourage him. A recovering heroin addict needs his focus elsewhere). Anyways he's been round a few times since then with timber. I said I'd instruct him and let him use my tools to build his own. One such time he starts on about he's going on acadamy of shame or pop idle next year. So I get the guitar out and tell him to show me what he's doing. His voice is brilliant, tremendous range, bang on to every note from the outset. Non of that raise to pitch nonsense you hear idiots like whitless housless and dido doing. To further add to it hes a very enigmatic bloke who would front a band with ease. Trust me I'm a very guarded person, I dont interact with people in his possition without something having pipped my attention. Yet he's wasted, hes going to go on one of them stupid programs, be insulted by some halfwitt knownothing unproductive waste of oxygen and end up with his dreams crushed. On the other hand he could get in a band and have a ball just gigging.

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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:12 am
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Niki, you don't really think that story shows how TV has hurt your local scene, do you? What "the local crazy" (an addled "recovering" junkie) says he's going to do is pretty low-grade evidence, even as anecdotal evidence goes. This guy's "dreams" were scarcely crushed by Pop Idol.

I used to know a homeless guy who rambled around near my office that I'd buy an extra lunchtime sandwich for once in a while, and he said he was the original drummer in the Beatles. Damn those Beatles for firing him! Look where he is now! :D


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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:23 am
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My point is that localized talent is taking this foul route and setting that as their goal believing they are good enough to make it, when their plainly not. Yet they could do well on a club level. Look at Susan Boyle for one. Tremendous voice yet lost out to some retarded dance troupe. Its not even like they were doing anything of consequence, modern dance is a ridiculously ugly. The show is judged on marketability not ability. Its exactly the same nonsense that produces pop songs. Did you see that guy who queued for four hour to punch leona lewis. Dunno about you but I'd have got a kick and a headbutt in aswell whilst I was there. This is one genre of music that needs ending now. Its not even pop, its plasticized, sweetshop, sickly crap.

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personaly i dont like the stones and never
herd Boyles version.


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Okay I'm going out on a limb here. First I think the Stones rendition is brilliant.

Now I also think Susan Boyle's version is very good. She sings like someone who has not had an easy life and you can hear the pain in her rendition. I agree her version is not rock and roll, but that is okay because there is room for both. I know that would not work with a lot of songs, but I think it works well with this one.

It's like having a conversation about the 2 versions of "You Keep Me Hanging On" by the Supremes and Vanilla Fudge. They are 2 very different songs. The Supremes version is very true to their genre and good, but the Vanilla Fudge version pulls maximum "hurt" from the lyrics.

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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:41 am
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SlapChop wrote:
Talent shows like "American Idol" are not hurting or helping music: they actually have nothing to do with music.

Nothing to do with music?? "American Idol" is a dominant player in the music industry. Take a look at the Billboard top 100 and see how many American Idol artists are there in big numbers ... Daughtry, Kelly Clarkson, those two blonde country girls, Fantasia, and there are a bunch more. No, there is no question that "American Idol" has made huge changes to the music industry.

But is it bad?? My answer: No ... Here is why ...

1) Because the population en masse is going to listen to pop-music crap anyway. The only difference is who (and I don't mean the artist) gets rich selling it. Either way, it is not us.
2) "American Idol" also provides true artists a national stage, as well (e.g., Queen, Slash, Prince, etc., etc.).
3) It provides about the only show on television that (a) is squeaky clean, and (b) the whole family enjoys. That may sound lame or stupid to some of you, but I have young boys and a teenager -- so it is important to me.
4) I know this will be met by serious contention, but the show has discovered valid artists that are worth following. For me -- yes, I admit it -- I like Taylor Hicks and Bo Bice (my list ends there, though), and I am also curious to hear what Adam Lambert will be coming up with.

My $0.02...

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nikininja wrote:
Did you see that guy who queued for four hour to punch leona lewis. Dunno about you but I'd have got a kick and a headbutt in aswell whilst I was there. This is one genre of music that needs ending now.



True and very true!!!


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