check this out.....

http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/bor ... e_usa.html

Yes but that is not a Birth certificate, it is a certificate of live birth it contains no information of hospital, doctor, midwife or anything . The paper thing was always none and placed by the family who were living in Hawaii the names placed near his where of the twin girls that where born in a local hospital and were in his kindergartin class for the 3 months he was school there before moving to Indonesia . His mother and then father said he was Indonesian so that he could go to school there at a Catholic school were he practice Islam as his Father was and wanted. The Kenya certifacate was found by a Washington State news reporter.

This is what a certificate of live birth is. Quote

Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are cheaper than photocopies and much more easily accessible. Information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas theas "Certification of Birth", "Certification of Live Birth", or "Certificate of Birth Registration". The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances [7]. Nearly all states in the U.S. issue short forms certifications, on both state and local levels [11].

End quote.

So where is the real birth certificate that the Certificate of live birth represents. Live birth Certs are issue to people when they need them fast but there is supposed to be a Birth Certificate with all information on it. Hospital date time doctor ect ect. Anyone can order one for themselfs and get it in a week or two. He has never been willing to show his and no one has found one other then the Kenyan one.

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CV is right. I have a copy of my birth certificate and it shows time/date of birth, both parents, the doctor, the hospital, and birth weight/length right on it. It is even signed by the doctor and a nurse. There is a difference.

here is a passage from the link i provided.....

Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.


notice the key language of the second paragraph...

"FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate".

the original birth certificate...

also an interesting point quoted in the factcheck.org website...

"It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."

also taken from your own quoted definition of certificate of live birth...

"it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances" [7].

That is not a birth certificate it is a certificate of live birth. That is why there is no information on it as hospital time doctor Ect Ect. Supposedly a certificate of live birth means thereis a birth certificate but no one can produce it. Plus your source here is Factcheck.org they are a liberal group that is in the bussiness of going aftre the RNC and advancing the DNC as everyone knows.
If you look at the Kenyen birth certificate it has all the nomal info on it hospital, doctor , register's name, parents names and where they are from plus it say there residence is Honolulu Hawaii.
All these people in Kenya did not get together and lie . They were in Kenya when he was born his Grandmother even said such.
Office of the Principal Registrar

Deputy Registrar

Births, Deaths, and Marriages for the

Coast Province of Kenya

(or its modern successor, equivalent jurisdiction) in and for

MOMBASA, KENYA

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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

Thomas Jefferson

again, taken from your own quoted definition of certificate of live birth...

"it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances" [7].

a certificate of live birth has in essence the same legal status as a birth certificate...infact other parts of the definition you provided states that live birth certificates are generated from actual birth certificates.

and as far as your denunciation of fact check .org as being a "a liberal group that is in the bussiness of going aftre the RNC and advancing the DNC as everyone knows".

you couldn't be farther from the truth. fact check.org is run by the annenberg foundation for public policy at the university of pennsylvania.

the annenberg foundation was founded by walter annenberg who was a life long republican and a close personal friend of ronald and nancy reagan.

yes fact check .org run by a foundation that was founded by a life long republican and personel friend of ronald and nancy reagan really seems to be a liberal group bent on destroying the rnc....ha...that's a good one!

and finally where are you getting you information from?

where is your link to a reliable source for the accusations you are making?

Captain that is not my own defenition of what a Certificate of live birth is. That is the legal definition and is just a short form cert. created showing there is a birth cert. in existence that can be had if need. If you look at the link you posted from fact check the picture shows the live birth cert. and on it in the top right corner is a certificate number 151 1961-010641 which is the birth certificate number used for the information. So where is that birth certificate (long Form) that has all information on it.

Th Keyan certificate come from the regestra of Kenya by getting the information filed on the books in Kenya and issued for the use of divorce proceedings for Judge King in Hawaii in 1964 show proof that Barack was the child of Barack Sr. and it shows he was born in Kenya and to whom. It also has all normal Birth Certificate information and is certified.

You have to remember ther was even a debate as to if there was legal issues about McCain's brith because of him being born in Panama canal zone. But at the time is was considered U.S. soil.


And Factcheck is funded by Annennberg Foundation who is also a big supporter of PBS among other things but it does lean much to the left And many things that come through a policy center run through a college setting can have its own leaning or tilt in findings. And yes they are not always left or right. But I think they go more one then the other.

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The fact that there are still doubts as to his place of birth is very telling. There should be NO doubting at this point and also he should have never been elected if his place of birth was not 1000000% confirmed.

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...the usual suspects with the usual cut and paste opinions and recycled jpegs...

...yes, yes! We all know how you guys feel about Obama.

Yawn!

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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

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Again, you've found a good one CV!!!

Hah, guitar heads talking politics. I'll just say this.. the Peace Prize committee just pulls stuff out of their a$$es. Has Obama done nothing? Absolutely not. Has he done enough to win a Nobel? Absolutely not... to say Obama is on the same level as Mother Teresa is just rediculous. :]

Well played my friend, well played.

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Yogi I completely agree with you that no candidates are good candidates. The quest for power that one must undertake to reach the position of potential governer of any country pretty much negates any chance of them being a good civil servant. Let alone one who wants to serve and not act as lord and master of all. After all thats what politicians are, civil servants. They just forgot the definition of the word servant. In truth I think we should take a leaf out of France's book and execute the lot of em. They only do the job for the money, theres zero desire to improve anything. Take our oh so precious Labur goverment. They opened the floodgates to eastern european labour claiming there were no british tradespeople, whilst 1.8M were registered unemployed. That unemployment figure does not include the people perpetualy claiming sickness or incapacity benefit, or the breed to feed families that have 8+ kids and live off the child benefits.The real reason they did this in my opinion was to cause a rise in votes for neo nazi party, the BNP. The majority of those gained votes would have been from the arleady right wing Conservative party voters. The only realistic opposition to the Labour party. All Instigated by the ever warmongering Tony (lionel) Blair, (why did we ever get involved in Iraq or Afghanistan?). The only difference I see between blair and hussain, Saddam never pretended to be a nice guy. Our labour goverment have constantly refused the democratic idea of holding a national referendum on our involvement in europe. Or whether we should pull out. Now we have Tony (Lionel) Blair seeking to become president of europe. A very dangerous situation for the whole world. People say bush was stupid, blair is a fool that was led by him into two wars that cost our nations the lives of young prime of their life people, for what. To bring democracy to a couple of countries that 60 years ago we would have eviscerated and then took control of as part of the empire, but couldnt be bothered. Now theres a oil shortage and fuel taxation is at a all time high, we have to have those lands. Even if we aren't in any possition to feasably seize control.

Modern democracy is a utter lie. I hate to say it, what our forefathers fought for has been turned into a sham. It makes me sick, utterly sick. We need a core skeleton goverment and to hold a referendum on every major decision thats taken. Things will be terribly hard for 20/30 years. Until people wise up that te seemingly inconsequential decisns of today will have knock on effects for years. Atleast after that adjustment time, we'd have a truely democratic country. Not this elect your dictator fiasco we suffer these days. Over here in areas that have a low voter turnout, they let the public vote by SMS. Thats how sick of modern pollitics the population are. Given the rise of modern communication technology we could even vote through our tv sets, so why not have a public that governs itself.

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Great, this forum has finally been parasitized by birthers and wingnuts.
What a waste of bandwidth.
This place just lost a lot of the appeal it once had.