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Post subject: Re: Where did all the great Rock and Roll bands go?
Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:38 pm
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I was just thinking about this last night. Every decade had its greats. What happened to the super group? Do we not have a modern day equivalent?

50's
Elvis

60's
Beatles
The Who
Cream
Jimi Hendrix

70's
Led Zeppelin
Kiss
Black Sabbath

80's
AC/DC
Iron Maiden
Van Halen
Motley Crue
Metallica

90's
Guns and Roses

and some truly great super groups that span many Decades such as the one the only....

The Rolling Stones

(this list is not meant to be all inclusive by any means, I just wanted to list some examples to get my point across)

I was trying to come up with a real Super Group for this decade and I couldn't think of one. There has got to be at least one out there. But it's not coming to me.

So I pose this question........

Where is the modern day Super Group for this decade?


i feel your pain man. the term "supergroup" died when all the douchebag's today decided that guitar solo's and raw feeling blues rock is uncool. too many hipster's on the scene today, they kinda drowned out that kind of music. some of it requires an attentionj level that most people today are unable to give. everything has to be simplified, formulaic, and right to the point. instant gratification, so-to-speak. welcome to the age of Ipod's and Coldplay.

at any rate, i suppose the best examples we've had in the past 5 years would be the bands Chickenfoot and Fist (the one with Nugent, Scott Ian, Sebastian, Jason Bonham, and i forget the bassist/porn producer's name)


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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:25 pm
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Well all the "great" bands are getting old. The newer bands, older people do not want to listen to them. How many older Strat fans here in the Forum that grew up in the 50-60's really consider Metallica a great band? My father, who grew up in the Big Band era (Jimmy Dorsey), could not stand Pink Floyd in the 70's/80's.

It is all a matter of opinion. My daughter loves Avenged Sevenfold, I think they are mediocre. Nickleback is the Bon Jovi of this time. We all just forgot how to be young. Actually listen to these newer bands and see what they have to offer.

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Miami Mike wrote:
Chickenfoot 8)


yep i second on that one.

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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:44 pm
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Hey, Scot06... I have to apologize in advance, but I need to adjust your list a little...

50's - I guess Elvis is okay. But, he didn't do it single handed.

60's - The list is okay, except Led Zeppelin belongs there too. Their 1st 2 LP's came out in '69.

70's - AC/DC's 1st LP was in 1976, Van Halen's was in 1978. I would also put Cheap Trick in there. There's a lot of 90's bands that owe their sound to them...

80's - Guns n' Roses - Appetite for Destruction came out in 1987 U2's Boy was released 1980...

90's - I can't say...

And, for rkeisher... I am 56 and I think Metallica is a great band. I even liked St. Anger...

Chickenfoot is good, I guess. Although I think Joe Satriani is sort of slumming in rock n' roll. We'll have to wait and see with that one.

There are bands like Jet who were on the right track, but who's new LP is getting panned. I saw them on Letterman and just thought they were okay.

I sort of enjoy Danko Jones. It's in that simple, rock and roll vein...

As for Coldplay... really? Coldplay? I can describe them in one word... Ugh! (Yeah, I know... not a word, really).

You know, I don't think we're really gonna get a good band that's gonna stand the test of time. The pickens are so slim that even Weird Al doesn't have anyone good to parody anymore.

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There won't be anymore mega-bands on the level of the Rolling Stones, Zeppelin, or even Guns 'n' Roses. And the reason is that the music industry simply doesn't/can't operate that way anymore.

There are so many genres and sub-genres of music out there right now -- everything is so compartmentalized -- that there is really no chance for a band to achieve the levels of mass popularity that artists enjoyed in decades past.

Think of all the biggest 'new' (post-2000) rock bands out there right now: Coldplay, The Killers, The Strokes, etc. All these acts sell fewer albums, get less exposure, and are generally less well-known than all the mega-bands from the 60s-90s.

TV has become the same way. With more and more viewing choices, and innovations like TiVo, everybody is watching something different. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

There are still plenty of great new bands coming out these days -- you just have to search harder to find them (my favorite newer bands include Phoenix, New Pornographers, The Killers, and M83). Unfortunately, broadcast radio is absolutely terrible when it comes to promoting new artists. And the music industry has less patience than ever when it comes to developing talent -- if your first album isn't a mega-hit, you're through!


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By the way, for those who are bored to death with the same 'ol, same 'ol, Pitchfork.com is a great site with news and reviews of lots of brand new indie-rock artists...

http://pitchfork.com/

...and Pandora.com is a terrific internet radio site which helped me discover lots of great bands, both new and old...

http://www.pandora.com/


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That thing is dead and rightfully so-- I could never disagree with anything more than a quote like that. It is a horrible time for new bands. What - just because anyone can put there music on the web. Well there are surely a lot of good bands that are doing that, but wear is the driving force behind the scenes that are making sure that music is getting heard. Who is out there pushing a groups music. Now the music buisness destroyed themselves but back in the day it worked very well. A DJ could start playing a song in Ohio then before you knew it the song could take off like a brush fire and get played across the country or a studio would get behind an artist and get there music heard. All this indie stuff really has no force behind it. So you might have stumbled across some great sounding band on the web but how do I or anyone else find out about them. Things are broke and need fixing in a big way and sooner or later someone is going to figure how to put things back together.


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Miami Mike wrote:
Chickenfoot 8)


They are certainly representative of a particulary genre and are composed of seasoned representatives of same.

But genre's change. The OP defines his interpretation of rock and roll by representative bands, but I can find in contemporary 'rock' a variety of different feels which solo artists as well as bands can be stratified into.

In the business sense, are they playing 'what's selling?' is the question whoever is marketing the music will ask, indie or otherwise.

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Although not a band I personally enjoy, U2 might be a good candidate.


I was thinking the same thing, but I would put them in the 90's more then this decade. That's when they had the biggest success.



nonononono they had their biggest success in the 80s, after the album Rattle and Hum they went....weird a little. but how to dismantle an atomic bomb was good, then they released their new album and it sucked.

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Hey, Scot06... I have to apologize in advance, but I need to adjust your list a little...

50's - I guess Elvis is okay. But, he didn't do it single handed.

60's - The list is okay, except Led Zeppelin belongs there too. Their 1st 2 LP's came out in '69.

70's - AC/DC's 1st LP was in 1976, Van Halen's was in 1978. I would also put Cheap Trick in there. There's a lot of 90's bands that owe their sound to them...

80's - Guns n' Roses - Appetite for Destruction came out in 1987 U2's Boy was released 1980...

90's - I can't say...

And, for rkeisher... I am 56 and I think Metallica is a great band. I even liked St. Anger...

Chickenfoot is good, I guess. Although I think Joe Satriani is sort of slumming in rock n' roll. We'll have to wait and see with that one.

There are bands like Jet who were on the right track, but who's new LP is getting panned. I saw them on Letterman and just thought they were okay.

I sort of enjoy Danko Jones. It's in that simple, rock and roll vein...

As for Coldplay... really? Coldplay? I can describe them in one word... Ugh! (Yeah, I know... not a word, really).

You know, I don't think we're really gonna get a good band that's gonna stand the test of time. The pickens are so slim that even Weird Al doesn't have anyone good to parody anymore.


(LOL) Actually I was thinking of the 65-ish age group (the age of my dad) and even then I am sure there still somone who that age that likes Metallica...Keep on Rock'in though.

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there was Velvet Revolver which was an awesome supergroup but unfortunately broke up. Chickenfoot is the super-group with Sammy Hagar, Joe Satriani and two other members whose names escape me. The thing is the music genre of today is revolved around alternative rock or rap. Many bands who have a classic rock sound (Velvet Revolver, Audioslave) broke up, but there are still good bands around that have that classic rock sound (JET and Buckcherry) so I'm sorta hangin' by a thread with those 2 bands and if they go then I've lost all hope for music.

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R.E.M, Foo Fighters, U-2,Red Hot Chilli Peppers,Death Cab For Cutie,The Fray,Justin Timberlake(God help us),Maroon 5,Daughtry,Green Day,White Stripes,Radiohead,Eagles. These are all groups that were nominated for Grammy Awards 2000-2009, yes Cold Play is in this group as well. How valid the Grammys are is another conversation.

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I think the groups are out there, but they're harder to find. You used to be able to go to a local venue and see some talent/ I remember seeing Springsteen at a 300 club venue in the 70's. In "the good old days" talent, generally, got you to the top. There were tons of clubs that future stars paid their dues at.

It appears it's all about the marketing now. You spend a couple of months on American Idol, win a popularity contest and voila a superstar. You sing and get a Disney Show and now your a hit.

Compare cocerts from the 60s & 70s to what's out there now. You could see the Doobie Brothers and maybe there was a smoke maching and some lasers. Pure talent. Now we have performers, on revolving stages, flying above the crowed. and all sorts of theatrics. Oh and then there is lip synching ...

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The Super Groups have come and gone... seems most of today's bands are sounding the same in each genre. If it has been done once, it has been done 100 times over... there will probably never be another super group.

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(LOL) Actually I was thinking of the 65-ish age group (the age of my dad) and even then I am sure there still somone who that age that likes Metallica...Keep on Rock'in though.

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I knew what you meant... and I didn't take offense. So don't sweat it. Back when I was in my twenties my drummer (who I am still friends with by the way...) had an Aunt that lived with him. I gave her a copy of our rehearsal tape so she could hear her nephew play. In return, she gave me my 1st AC / DC LP, Powerage. She was in her 60's. She had a bigger collection than all of us put together. And it was all rock stuff.

Anyway...

I really don't think that there's going to be a band that's going emerge and save the music business. All we can do now is take what we can get. I'm not impressed by record sales... Coldplay may have sold a million records, but that only means that there's a million people out there without musical taste... I guess that's why Hip Hop is still around.

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