I was watching a Beatle's Anthology tonight. The mass hysteria they caused was unbelievable. The airports in NY and London had kids hanging from every rafter. Fans crying and passing out at concerts.

Has there been anyone since that can incite that much emotion?

It was interesting to see George and JOhn playing those Rickenbacker's.

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I hear Led Zeppelin was mighty potent in that way. Apparently Robert Plant was dripping with a raw sensuality that caused the ladies' knees to melt.

Saw a doco on Marc Bolan and T-rex not long ago. A couple of people (Ringo Starr among them) mentioned that T-Rex mania in some cases was even more out of control than what the Beatles experienced.

Michael Jackson came as close to Beatlemania as anybody I've seen.... tearful, screaming fans, worldwide, every town, every time, from Dubai to Dublin, Shanghai to San Francisco.

Yep, that must be the top example.

Also, in my country in the '70s we had a dreary little pop band called The Bay City Rollers. Did they break in America? I don't know.

They got a fair dose of that girlie screaming hysteria, though only for a year or two. If you think it's a weird phenomenon with The Beatles search around for a Rollers track or two. You will be completely astounded that anyone wet their panties over that bunch of soggy non-entities!

(Bye-Bye Baby is the track you are looking for. [Shudder])

Cheers - C

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I guess we're showing our age. I remember them and there S-A-TUR-D-A-Y Night. Funny they are using a parody of that song to promote a cable TV show. I do remember the teenie bop hysteria they caused.

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Tom Jones eeh CV!

Led zeppelin, Michael Jackson, Sometimes even The Who, In My opinion.

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I would have to agree with Slapchop that Michael Jackson hit that international plateu. The ting with the Beatles was that it happened so fast and so global and then it was over once they stopped touring because they could not hear themselves. The thing that pisses me off is that about a year after the Beatles stopped touring sound systems were produced so that you could be heard. As with the Beatles practily being the first to do anything playing Shea stadium with that equipment is like hunting an Elephant with a pea shooter. If you hear anyone who saw them in a small club they smoked the place and that is the only thing we were cheated out of. I mean look at Paul today nearing 70 playing through the right equipment and rocking the house. So just imagine the Beatles in there prime. On another note I think Elvis would of been the first one to cause international hysteria. No doubt about that but he was so braiwashed and under the control of Tom Parker he never got to even go play Europe which is a shame because the guys who played with him said he wanted to go so bad.

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Also, in my country in the '70s we had a dreary little pop band called The Bay City Rollers. Did they break in America? I don't know.

They are definitely known here, Ceri.

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This is what struck me, coming from the 'been there done that "side of aspiring bands of that period and listening attentively to The Beatle's history and timeline.

Me and mine had already seen the inside of a recording studio while those five guys were still in Germany trying to find themselves. We were a late 50's guitar band, released on United Artists 49 years ago this summer, but we had Payola over here and they had Brian Epstein just waiting for them to happen over there. We'd already been and gone by the time they started playing The Cavern, and were into to other things.

Epstein was to be THEIR MAGIC BULLET!!

They had the 'right stuff' and he believed in them. He was also an established business man, had a feel for the entertainment business, and when everyone was telling him that guitar bands were washed up, he found them George Martin.

Take it from a guy who heard the same s---t from people at the William Morris Agency in NYC over 40 years ago, four years before The Beach Boys, and the British Invasion.

"This Boy"?? We were doing harmony like that before that song was every written. Brian Wilson's inspiration from the male vocal groups of the '50's, ala "The Four Lads", three voices overdubbed into six??...been there, done that! Thank you, Les Paul.

But, you see, there's a difference between an Epstein and a 'dork'....like....when you've recorded "You Belong To Me' and had it in the can for three months, but there's something about it that your manager doesn't like but can't spring for coin to get back in the studio and fix it, and then The Duprees release their version..your manager's a 'dork' Not to mention the fact that he too was 'in the business' and had an older brother, also 'in the business', who's discography work product, to this date, if I gave you his name, would blow your mind.

No fox and sour grapes, I fully appreciated their accomplishment when it happened. As a social phenomenon, the Beatles were in the right place, at the right time, in a world on the brink, looking for something refreshingly good and new, a diversion so to speak, and they were it. At the end of five years, eventually, the world caught up with them as well.

The Stone's said it best....."Tumbling Dice"!

In the end...that's what it's all about.

Doc

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Interesting Doc very Interesting. So you were there and playing when it was all going down. Like you said Tumbling Dice. Do you have anything on vinyl that came out, or everything never made it out of the can.

Uh-hu? I am so, so sorry...

And regarding your longer post, Doc: thanks for that - the fullest account of your story I can recall in this place. Very interesting.

There's a lot to be said about the role of management in rock careers. Those legendary few managers who really made it all happen - and others who got in the way and prevented greatness.

And on The Beatles, in addition to a manager with a vision, wouldn't we all agree the one ace they had over everyone else was George Martin? A very unique kind of contribution that fella made.

Cheers - C

In addition to band from Germany, I've also come to learn that there's a current U.S. band with a MySpace page using that name as well.

Try www.globaldogproductions.info/m/marco.html and scroll down to the bottom Note the year....that would have been about March.

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