A bit of an old topic, but...

Vulkan · **Posted:** Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:17 pm

BigJay: Am currently listening to Ya-Ya's. It's quarter past midnight, and I don't see myself going to bed anytime soon. I'm counting my quarters tomorrow: I need an Ampeg Jet and a Dan Armstrong Plexi.

And seriously, is anyone cooler than KR? No one else can look cool playing a clear guitar.

fendermandan · **Posted:** Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:34 am

Keith Richards (tele/champ/twin)
John Mayer (strat/two rock)

Lot of late 60's Strat warmer tones through clean fender amps, aaahhhhhh!

Jonesy989 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:49 am

I'm In love with John Paul Jones's Heavy/Dirty Bass tone, I'm always trying to get the same tone, but Im always short somewhere, but I love his style of bass tone In all of Zeppelin's Music.

Vulkan · **Posted:** Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:53 am

BigJay wrote:

Vulkan wrote:

BigJay: Am currently listening to Ya-Ya's. It's quarter past midnight, and I don't see myself going to bed anytime soon. I'm counting my quarters tomorrow: I need an Ampeg Jet and a Dan Armstrong Plexi.

And seriously, is anyone cooler than KR? No one else can look cool playing a clear guitar.

The "tube" sound, turned up loud so those tubes are smokin hot, is so prevalent on that album. I just love it. Ive never played an Ampeg, but my Bandmaster/marshall cab combination gets very very close to that sound. I really like it. A little vibrato and you can hit almost any vintage sound. I love it.

Seriously, you should get that Paul Black album I mentioned earlier. Also a great vintage tube sound.

Wilco on the Paul Black.

If you're interested in the Stones -- and particularly their '72 tour -- you ought to check out this website: http://stoneslib.homestead.com/files/tour72intro.html It's an incredible archive of the weird and the wonderful.

I can't recall whether or not it was on the aforementioned site, but I've read a few times that the Stones would regularly, during the '69-'73 period, top 130dB onstage. That is insanely loud!

And good on you for finding a rig to duplicate (or mimic) that sound. It's hard to achieve with modern amps and guitars. I think the keys are (a) volume and (b) very, very judicial use of gain. It's interesting how modeling amps and people screwing around tend to always use more gain than necessary. It's my experience that a loud, clean amp will have enough punch to power through a live mix as if it were overdriven without having the muddiness associated with distortion. I run my amps clean when playing live (except my Pro Junior, which is set dirty) and use very tiny amounts of stompbox gain...Sounds good, but maybe not "vintage good."

straycat113 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:10 am

Santana-Europa and Samba pa ti. Two of my all time fat and creamy favorite tones though not played on Fenders. Gary Moore- Still Got the Blues. The hair on my arms still stand up when he changes from the neck pickup to the bridge in mid solo. Jeff Beck-Cause Weve Ended As Lovers-Either an Esquire or Tele. From the opening horn like volume swells you know this is no ordinary track. For those who dont know this was written by Stevie Wonder. I have no idea if there is a version with lyrics but this instrumental is a clinic on note selection and technique and he has no trem and I still wonder how this guy can pull out all these sounds with a tele, has a lot of horn like qualities to me. Satch -Always With Me Always With You-I have played this song a thousand times Tone to die for. If this song dont move ya have your pulse checked,smooth,silky,stinging you can use a 100 words to describe his tone on here.SRV -Little Wing-Nuff Said

Vulkan · **Posted:** Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:33 am

BigJay wrote:

Vulkan wrote:

BigJay wrote:

Vulkan wrote:

BigJay: Am currently listening to Ya-Ya's. It's quarter past midnight, and I don't see myself going to bed anytime soon. I'm counting my quarters tomorrow: I need an Ampeg Jet and a Dan Armstrong Plexi.

And seriously, is anyone cooler than KR? No one else can look cool playing a clear guitar.

The "tube" sound, turned up loud so those tubes are smokin hot, is so prevalent on that album. I just love it. Ive never played an Ampeg, but my Bandmaster/marshall cab combination gets very very close to that sound. I really like it. A little vibrato and you can hit almost any vintage sound. I love it.

Seriously, you should get that Paul Black album I mentioned earlier. Also a great vintage tube sound.

Wilco on the Paul Black.

If you're interested in the Stones -- and particularly their '72 tour -- you ought to check out this website: http://stoneslib.homestead.com/files/tour72intro.html It's an incredible archive of the weird and the wonderful.

I can't recall whether or not it was on the aforementioned site, but I've read a few times that the Stones would regularly, during the '69-'73 period, top 130dB onstage. That is insanely loud!

And good on you for finding a rig to duplicate (or mimic) that sound. It's hard to achieve with modern amps and guitars. I think the keys are (a) volume and (b) very, very judicial use of gain. It's interesting how modeling amps and people screwing around tend to always use more gain than necessary. It's my experience that a loud, clean amp will have enough punch to power through a live mix as if it were overdriven without having the muddiness associated with distortion. I run my amps clean when playing live (except my Pro Junior, which is set dirty) and use very tiny amounts of stompbox gain...Sounds good, but maybe not "vintage good."

Serendipity on the amp combo, I assure you. My amp is a 1976 BandMaster Reverb TFL5005d. I traded a junky $100 Ovation electric for it in 1989 simply because I needed an amp. I thought this amp was junk but it worked, so... I thought it was an early '80s vintage amp. I went to the local pro-audio shop (which my cousin owns) and asked them to match a cabinet. The pointed to my Marshall mini-cabinet...two 75w Celestions...for $75. OK...off I went.

5 years ago I decided to learn about my amp. Started researching it and realized it was older than I originally thought. I started to really appreciate the vintage tube sound AND that that sound was all but lost in amps in the '80s and '90s. I didnt think it was special, but I found a whole new appreciation for the amp.

So I had a local shop (Savage Audio) look at it. Savage builds pro-grade tube amps and is pretty exclusive. They also are a Fender amp dealer, specializing in vintage Fender amps. When I took the amp in, the guy flipped out. He said he's never seen this amp before and further said Savage believed they had collected one of every vintage Fender amp ever made. He offered me $1000 for the amp on the spot, as it was. Obviously I refused, opting to have them renovate it. So they cleaned/fixed it up, maintaining OEM specs all around. Today the amp is almost perfect and I dont want another amp. It does EXACTLY what I want.....that '72 Ya-Ya tube sound, nothing but classic tube blues.

I built my Kickassocaster specifically to pair it with this amp. They are now married and are perfectly matched, IMO. I couldnt imagine separating them or parting with them.

I really enjoy bringing this combination out to jam with guys I've not played with before. Invariably, they smirk or skoff or joke about it....until I start playing. Then they shut the hell up and usually remark how great it sounds. I sat in with a band not long ago. One guitarist played an active pickup Hamer through a Marshall 100w Lead/half stack combo...pure heavy metal melt your face stuff. He saw my rig and said "what do you think that will be when it grows up?" I lit her up and he changed his tune real quick. Kept complaining how he cant get that sound from his rig. Funny.

That's a great story Jay! It's funny: I've always wanted to have a "Holy Grail in a Pawnshop" moment, but I doubt it will ever happen. How did you go about building a Strat specifically for use with a certain rig? I imagine that you tried to use vintage spec pickups?

I've had a similar experience with rig envy. My band played at an open stage a month or two ago just for fun and to debut some new material. Because we were only playing four or five songs, I decided against bringing the big rig and turned up with my Pro Junior, MIM Tele and Boss SD-1. I wound up setting up my gear while the fellow from the previous band laboriously disassembled and carted out his Mesa Road King stack. I set up in about three minutes, and blew everyone away. I had a couple of guitarists that I really admire (local guys) come up after and say "great tone man." It's a big compliment.

Vulkan · **Posted:** Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:14 am

That sounds like an awesome guitar! I imagine there are pictures of it kicking around these forums, but do you have a link to them?

I'm considering building a guitar this winter. What I'm thinking is a Telecaster body, a Strat neck (maple fingerboard, 70s-style headstock, and a couple of P90s). What I'm aiming for is that soapbar growl coupled with Fender-style brightness. It would, I think, complement my Telecaster nicely -- I'd play it on the harder stuff that my band does. Unfortunately, I can't call it the Kickassocaster!

My plan is to get a neck and body from Warmoth, some Gibson pickups and wire the whole thing together without any controls whatsoever. The only thing I'm interested in is a pickup selector. Finish it in white with a white pickguard!

As for tones, I totally understand where you're coming from. The "Texas", raunchy twang is a great sound, but I think it's too reminiscent of Stevie and the like -- guys who could pull off that style far better than myself. On the other hand, I really, really love the "spank" associated with Stevie: I like to sound "vintage but not dull." The great tone quest, I fear, may carry on forever, although I'm close with my Tele, a Way Huge Pork Loin, and my HRDx. I've found that a little bit of compression, in addition to the amp's natural compression, can make a noticeable difference. I run an old Danelectro "Surf & Turf" with the level set to match the amp and the sensitivity at zero or one. Sounds good to me!

promagnum · **Joined:** Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:39 pm **Posts:** 62

Luther sounds pretty neat here with his Jaguar and Concert amp.

Sorry I love Luther.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xmrsvhTILw

Here's also Luther with his blond Esquire and Super Reverb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBPd-i2f ... re=related

Ceallach · **Joined:** Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:13 pm **Posts:** 1633

Dick Dale. I love his tones.

eyecandy · **Joined:** Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:10 am **Posts:** 1086

Eric Johnson's - Cliff of Dover for me..

JSJH · **Posted:** Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:08 am

Mark Knopfler on "Sultans Of Swing."

Freaking incredible-timeless-massive-pure artistry.

"No distortion to cover your afs," as the Gibson ad says.

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