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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:42 pm
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msvolpe wrote:
but you know, in a way that judge is right. how many simple guitar designs can you possibly think of anyhow?


Tho i differ with you in varying degrees on most of your argument, this particular statement i have to back you up on. i was thinking the same thing myself. Even tho copying something that isn't yours and making a buck off it is disgusting and wrong, there just aren't that many different ways to cut a slab of wood and make it look nice.

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If you want a Chinese-made guitar that you'll never be able to find replacement parts for and that was assembled with lead-based paint by a worker who gets a bowl of rice for his salary every day, go for it.


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I always thought it was odd that other companies could copy the Fender designs, but I guess a Judge that knows nothing of guitars wouldn't have any idea of how to make an informed decision.


Kind of like a guitar player who knows nothing of trademark law.

Your concept of "an informed decision" is mightily uninfomred. Fender's attempt to TM the body shapes is a case of trying to close the barn door after the horse got out, moved to New York, spent 3/4 of a lifetime pulling a carriage around Central Park before retiring upstate and kicking the bucket.

Fender recognized the trademark value of the headstock shapes early on, using them as logo and design elements throughout the brand's history. I suspect they thought nothing of the body designs simply because they didn't expect the guitars to become icons, or the body shapes to last far into the future: Leo himself thought the Strat would "obsolete"the Tele, and expected to stop making Telecasters shortly after the Stratocaster was introduced.

But let's not drag out the crying towels: Fender had to know this was a long shot, a stunt, and the proliferation of T-n-S shaped guitars has not proved catastrophic for them. This isn't a devastating decision. I'm sure it's exactly what Fender expected. And I would guess that Fender hoped (if they'd won) not to squash production of clones, but to charge licensing fee for the shapes.

This is why Disney goes after every Korean guy who prints ball caps featuring a badly-drawn cartoon mouse who even vaguely reminds you of MIckey... because if you don't defend your trademarks, they won't be yours. That's how the law works.


Unfortunately the first time Fender pursued a trademark for their designs, they were owned by a corporation that also knew very little of guitars or musical instruments and the business of manufacturing and marketing them in general (or maybe they would have tried back then).
I don't really have any sympathy for any corporation that through it's own lack of foresight losses out on what would have meant huge profits (at least in the US market). To me it just seems silly to have a "statute of limitations" on something like one of the most iconic images/designs in the history of humankind. ...and yes, I'm sure all they were after was the licensing fees owed to them from other companies who profited from Fender designs. After all it was only when companies started manufacturing aftermarket parts (bodies, necks and pickups) that Fender (and Gibson) stepped up to protect their products. Not only that, but products that were superior to the ones Fender was manufacturing in the US. This was, of course just a sign of things to come for all US based manufacturing. (Automobiles, Home Appliances... the soon to be booming Computer market)

How about the fact that when they successfully trademarked the headstocks, these guitars had been in production for 25+ years and the market had already been flooded for at least a decade with imitations? Seems the ruling is a bit arbitrary... but what (ruling) isn't?

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