Sorry for my part in derailing as well.

I stand by what I said because these threads always seem to take a negative spiral. It is something we tend to get emotional about. Musicians emotional? That's Crazy!

The thing about religious music is, it IS witnessing and as much as I believe in everyones right to any belief they like, I don't necessarily want to hear it myself.

I have no qualms about anything, anyone else believes in - really! Good on ya! I certainly mean no disrespect - quite the opposite. Just don't want to hear it.

(I need an emoticon with hands covering the ears.)

Peace, Gridlok

Gridlock

I dont think its about religeon or belief as much as it is about keeping things upbeat. The OP's expressing his delight at going to see a load of bands he wants to see on the same bill.

May as well keep it upbeat. Theres been some great Christian rock throughout the years that was designed to do nothing but entertain people with a set of convictions that dont want to hear how many groupies the singer has been round. Ok if you buy the album theres gonna be a couple of obligitory worship songs on it. Largely its just rock for the flock in a family friendly format so's not to offend anyones sensibilities.

I understand fully where you guys are coming from though. I dont participate with any church anymore because I basicaly cant stand some of the stuff they do in the name of God. What makes it worse is that its largely through good intent. Still love the brethren dont like it when they dont have the decency to not offend non believers though. A lot are haughty toe treading types that mean no harm, just dont understand the consequences of their actions. I could lay out a seventeen page essay on that subject, I just wont bore you with it though.

Personaly my middle daughter is seven and just starting to like the idea of music. She made me give her a strat. I'd like some good family oriented rock n roll that she can listen to rather than whatever simon cowell is trying to hypnotize her with this week. I certainly dont want her listening to a lot of my record collection at her age. Christian rock is a good option in that circumstance. Maybe I'll let her listen to police b@/?ard in a few years time (like ten) when I can tell her whats right and whats wrong about it. I'm from a very different world to her and theres not much thats shocked me in the last twenty years. I can take most lyrical content with a pinch of salt. Thats me though and not everyone is in the same situation.

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I agree with the idea that Christian Rock is more acceptable for children because it has more positive content. I will admit that most of the rock i listen to is Christian. I have no problem listening to anything as long as it has a good sound regardless of the lyrics. There's alot of musicians that have converted to Christianity that has made a big movement in Christian Rock. In most cases you can't really tell what it is until you study the lyrics anyways. I've just read the Dave Mustaine from Megadeath is converted Christian now. He still continues to play thrash metal. Then again there are even Christian bands that tour with secular rock/metal bands. I don't see anything wrong with advertising any type of music festival because if you don't like what's advertised you don't have to go.

Mustaine was raised a Christian. He got back to his faith as a way of kicking alcohol, heroin and speed addiction, just before they recorded rust in peace. (Thats to the best of what I can ascertain and recollect from the time.)

He's had a few slips since then but managed to come out of it ok. He's been clean a good few years now, 10+ I think.

One thing he is also a prime example of is the way Christians can be haughty about stuff. He's kicked no end of bands off Megadeth tours because of their lyrical content, or generaly made life very hard for em. I remember a big fallout between him and Mike Muir of suicidal tendencies during the Clash of the Titans tour of 91. It doesnt give anyone who's open about their faith a good rep, does it?
Funny how he doesnt have a problem touring with Slayer and Testament this year isnt it. Of all the unholy God hating bands there are, I dont think theres any more vocal about it than LA's finest.

Mr Mustaine is a very intellegent and complex man. I probably (certainly) dont have all the facts. But as soon as you make a statement about your faith the world watches. Even I think he's a bit off kilter with some of his actions and I'm trying to see it from his side. Imagine what a typical non believing metal kid thinks about such actions.

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I read about it in Guitar World magazine. They were interviewing him along with Kerry King and a few others from the clash tour. He was for sure hating on King and didn't care too much for Soundgarden when they joined the tour here in the states. But anyone religious that knows the rep of Megadeth and other bands like them automaticaly labels them as satanic. I guess it's a good thing we're not all judged for who we hang around.

And now Mustaine cant wait to get on any bill with Slayer, because he knows it earns money. Kerry King played in megadeth for a short while. I cant see how he ever kept up, Hannemans always been the man in slayer far as I'm concerned. He certainly penned their best songs. It's only been the last decade and a bit that King has flourished as a guitarist. Before then it was all nonsensical whammy nonsense, particularly at the time he played with megadeth (pre haunting the chapel)

You can see how anyone reading that interview and knowing Mustaines belief in God could get confused. Especialy when they see him touring with them. He's a fierce guitar player though. Peace sells is going to get blasted out tonight.

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i actuslly met mr mustaine when i worked at a resort in Banff.

he seemed a nice sort. i would imagine, like many who return to their faith, or convert, he went through a phase of overzealous behaviour, and has since mellowed out.

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Hey guys, lets stop debating and just talk about what this thread was intended to be about, the Creation concert.

I may not agree with some of the styles of music that you other Fender forum users listen to, but this thread is not the place to discuss it...



Anyways, I wish I could go to the Creation concert! It's great to hear Lincoln Brewster's going to be there, I really want to see him sometime. He's a really great Strat player!

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He wasn't intelligent enough not to proclaim his support of the IRA to a Belfast crowd back in the 90's.

I was raised a Catholic but I grew out of it. Many people were raised Christians. Axl Rose used to sing in a Pentecostal choir ffs.

''Its not the colour or the creed of a man that counts. Its the man inside.'' (written in the collar of this seasons Celtic home shirt.)

For what its worth I hope you guys enjoy your festival but I still don't like the idea of it.

Peace.

CC [edited to change 'to' to 'of', typo]

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that riot incident happened after he was misinformed by someone about the situation on the so far, so good, so what tour in 88/89 I remember it. Basicaly he caught some fella selling knock off tshirts. Was about to kick his head in, when the guy starts screaming the place will be bombed with you in it.
The security give Mustaine the nod to not risk it. So Mustaine gets him inside and talks to him. The fella starts on about how the shirts are to raise money for the cause and how much oppression the catholics suffer in northern island. Pretty much fills a smack addled Mustaine with a skewed view of the situation. There was a cover of Anarchy in the UK on the album they were touring so Mustaine shouts 'I support the IRA' in the lead solo, not realizing that stuffs not on at events enjoyed by both sides. The seller had filled his head with all Irish people are catholics and the British protestants oppress us. He didnt tell him that the majority of the protestants had been born and grew up in Ireland.

Suppose its what you get for listening to pratts that sell knock off shirts.

On the next album he opened with a supreme song, Holy Wars.

Holy Wars

Listen to Nick Menza's perfect drumming on it. Marty Friedman's eastern solo it tremendous too. The song ends a 2:42.

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Cheers for filling me in on that Niki, I've always wondered the ins and outs of it. It comes up a lot here in Buckfast City and everyone has their own take on it.

Cool song btw!

CC

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