As I've said, to each their own but there are 2 things we are not allowed to talk about here. Religion and politics. For me this falls into the religion category pretty blatantly. No one here is trying to offend anyone. I'm just giving my 2 cents. I dont expect these guys to like what I like either.

Their money, their ears...........yes. OUR forum.........also true.

CC

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Hi CC: I absolutely understand why you objected to the "What Religion Are You?" thread - I have some very personal experience of your part of the world (both sides of that fence, as it happens) and I share some of your concerns over where that stuff sometimes leads.

However, a secular society is one where people are allowed to believe what they choose without sanction from government. It is not one where people of faith have to hide their beliefs in public.

Whether it happens to appeal to you or not, Christian Rock is a well-known musical genre that many are into. I can't see how it is unfitting for a guitar forum, any more than any other genre.

Guys on this thread are as free to talk about a show they are going to as I am to mention that I have front row seats for Mark Knopfler at the Albert Hall in a couple of months. I expect there's someone who would find that offensive too - too bad!

Live and let live...?

With friendly respect - C

I have to respectfully disagree with you boss but I do take your point. Christian rock promotes religion. One of the subjects not allowed.
Mark Knopfler doesn't.

Edit: Again I bring up devil worshipping metal. Also a well known genre. I'm sure the Christians would (rightfully) have something to say about that if such a festival was promoted here.

CC

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Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing as is freedom of the off switch…….. I you like something then cool….if you don’t….change the channel or don’t buy it……… its that simple I think….. personally I don’t care for any Religion in my rock and roll ; be it Christian rock or the evil side like European satanic metal… that’s just me, if I want religion ill go to church ….. I just choose to stay away from it….on the other hand I don’t see any problem promoting the event here…I does fall under the music category… there is many styles of music discussed here I don’t care for like RAP or Grunge, punk……but so what….If you dig it then cool listen to it….if not listen to something else.... also many threads here i avoid due to content.. i just find another one i do like.............Simple stuff

I should have avoided this one……….

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Hi again CC: I wrote my previous post before seeing Twelvebar's. I probably wouldn't have added my comments to his, because I'd hate anyone to feel ganged up on.

But since it's now running...

About 25 years ago I had a girlfriend from Northern Ireland. One day her grandmother was out shopping when she was blown apart by a bomb and killed. I won't say which "side" of the divide my girlfriend's family were on and I won't say which "side" planted the bomb - because it makes no difference.

I have seen at close hand the loss and extreme personal anguish that can be lead to by the divisions of which religion are a part. I take your views on this most seriously.

(And for anyone who didn't get it before, that is the background against which CC is speaking and why he feels as strongly as he does.)

However, the solution to religious intolerance is... tolerance. We have to put up with views we disagree with. And in any case, nobody has actually expressed any religious views on this thread. It really was a thread about music...

Cheers - C

I just thought religion and politics weren't allowed on the forum. The OP used the word 'Christian' and last I heard Christianity WAS a religion.

Just trying to keep the forum tidy and I stand by everything I have said. This is the last I'll say on the topic. I believe we are being somewhat hypocritical here now in letting this one go and I believe I have said my points clearly without getting personal.

Thanks for at least considering my thoughts on the matter. It IS appreciated.

Edit: Just saw your post Ceri. You are a good man, Truly. Thanks bud.

Cheers.

CC

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And cheers to you too. Friendly intentions from this end, be certain.

And that's me over and out from this thread!!

Regards to all - C

I think this bloke is about as cool as it gets.

This Bloke

George Lowden seems to think he's (the bald guy with the glasses) worth making free instruments for. Not many on that list, even Clapton pays for em.

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No no and no

its true that religion is considered a hot topic...i actually feel guilty now for having brought this thread back, sorry FF. i got you in trouble maybe

i dont know how Brad feels, but my outlook on this is that its a fine line. wouldn't this be considered a hot topic only if it were being used for evangelical purposes? as in promoting a religion to others? or preaching gospel of the Word?
that is not what is happening here. the topic is music. religious music yes, but nothing more. no one is trying to convert anybody, so where is the controversy?

so i suppose we shouldn't talk about certain songs written by George Harrison or Norman Greenbaum either?

dont get me wrong, i'm not trying to sound bitter. i'm only raising a valid question.

I don't mean to gang up either. I have no ill intentions either. I guess my point is, that religious music exists. It is oft played with fender instruments.

In my opinion it seems rather silly to restrict even the mention of it. by extension of the religion and politics policy we would have to avoid mention of U2, Clapton, most blues artists, any and all old school punk,Bob Dillon, The beatles, Pink Floyd, led Zep...

I would say unless the thread moves into discussion of the religious and political mores of the genre than it probably isn't out of line.

however the derailing of this thread by CC, myself and others has now turned it definitely into a thread on both religion, and it's politics so it prbably should be closed now.

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Don't worry I didn't feel ganged up on. I respect everyone's opinions here and I guess if I'm in the minority then so be it. Democracy rules.

Sorry for the hi jack too.

Just wanted to give my 10 cents and you guys know I'm a bit of a hot head when it comes to these things. For that I apologise but I stand by my views on the matter. Didn't mean to get anyone's nose out of joint. I guess I caused a war from trying to keep the peace.

Yours respectfully,

CC

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That acoustic sounds great Nik enjoy her mate

You should play it mate. Its like playing a strat, its so comfortable.


To somewhat salvage this thread does anyone else have any good links to christian music vids. Nothing too sanctified please, we dont want to offend anyone.

I'm saving the Slayer and Kreator albums for the weekend. I think its ok to enjoy any music. Theres a marked difference between worship, evangelical and just plain christian rock. Dunno about anyone else but I like more than one flavour on my pallette sometimes. So this is my megre attempt to get the thread somewhere near where it was destined. Show me what you got regards Christian Rock/pop/folk. Nothing too sanctified please, remember its not on to offend non believers.

This guy was huge on the Christian rave scene in the mid 90's, its just good Techno.

Prodigal Sons

There were a good few acts around the time that I've forgotten the names of. Some great indie/rock stuff around then too.

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No no and no

I helped derail this too i think. but i guess it does pose the question, is Christian Music acceptable on this forum. i think we just disagree on that point.

I find it funny that i am on the defending side of it, because I usually think its terrible lol.

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I just simply thought ANYTHIN to do with religion wasnt allowed Niki bro. Sorry.

Edit: Plus I do think its the ultimate Oxymoron. I have ranged pallette too but that includes soul, funk, classical and blues. I dont expect anyone to like all of them.

CC

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