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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:12 am
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straycat113 wrote:
Slapchop did you ever realize how many top 10 and #1 songs Maddonna has written.If you look at her writing credits she is one of the most succesful song writers in history. So tell me how many time do you think she came up with the word THE in a song.


Well, I don't know about Madonna... her songs would not be difficult to "write," in terms of lyrics, and she does tend to work with producers who come up with rhythm tracks to her lyrics. She does work with other writers, certainly, and it would be hard to say how much of any given song is actually hers.

But don't underestimate that woman. She's smarter than she looks.


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only in the fender lounge...
a question about a christian band covering a song about Jesus segues into the frank zappa estate, and now lands on madonna... i guess that's what happens when the government gets it's hands into business.

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only in the fender lounge...
a question about a christian band covering a song about Jesus segues into the frank zappa estate, and now lands on madonna... i guess that's what happens when the government gets it's hands into business.



Huh?


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Ceri wrote:
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There was that case of springsteen sueing some bar band for playing dancing in the dark a few years back. Early 90's i think.

From a christian morals standpoint, just ask permission of the composer.


That Springsteen story must be an urban legend. You can't sue a band for playing your published material, because the mechanism for songwriters getting paid for live performance of their published work is in place. The bar might have been forced to pay BMI or ASCAP fees, but a case of an artist suing a bar band wouldn't even be admitted to court. There's no case.

You don't need to ask the permission of the composer to perform a published work. That's why performance rights organizations like BMI and ASCAP exist.


Dunno about the Springsteen case.

But the Performing Rights outfit in the UK has been getting heavier and heavier on public playing of recorded music. Bars, restaurants, etc that have music going on in the background have found themselves getting demands for performance fees in a much more aggressive way than in the past, much to their dismay.

I wonder if the Springsteen story relates to that?

It has also transpired that the same law applies to the playing of music radio, at least in Britain. (Don't know how that works in other countries.) Employers of all sizes who play the radio for the amusement of their staff at work have found themselves being advised to buy licenses, and very expensive ones at that. Previously, we'd all assumed that was covered by the fees the radio station pays to the Rights people - but it turns out it isn't.

I heard a Performing Rights fella interviewed on the subject. He was asked, jokingly, whether a taxi driver who played the radio whilst in the work place (his cab) would have to pay for a performance license. The Rights guy responded yes - and he was perfectly serious.

The rising temperature on all this is no doubt because of the falling revenues from CD sales. Publishers and Rights people are pulling out the legal paperwork and combing it for extra ways of demanding money.

Watch out!

Cheers - C


In Reykjavík there was a support concert for an Icelandic musician who had cancer. All of the bands playing where giving their work for the concert, but that didn't stop STEF (icelandic company that collects royalties) from charging and threatning to sue the promoters for the songs that the artists donated to the concert.

STEF also sued and won the case against a small business owner in a small town. The store owner had a radio in a backroom for the staff, but because you could hear the music in the store STEF accused the store owner of holding back performance fee.

Alot of musicians in Iceland are unhappy with STEF because of how they conduct their business. STEF have been accused of working for their own and record companies interrests and ignoring the interrests of the musicians.


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SlapChop wrote:
FrankieTheKid wrote:
only in the fender lounge...
a question about a christian band covering a song about Jesus segues into the frank zappa estate, and now lands on madonna... i guess that's what happens when the government gets it's hands into business.


Huh?


you'll have to pardon me... not a lot of people understand my sense of humor... my wife of 26 years still looks at me like i have 2 heads sometimes.

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