Jello said it best MTV get off the air.

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Im sorry but if that is the state of american punk, which i'm pretty sure its not, just ask the queers or tod radict or the ex members of the dead kennedys, then i'm very glad to have grown up on the real punk scene in england. Xray spec's were pop punk, not that talentless marketing hype band with riffs nicked off the uksubs. I'm sorry they just do not nor have ever had any popularity here aside from the pre-teens and upperclass privately educated hooray henrietta'a wanting to rebel against daddys liberal rule.

If thats american punk Johnny and Deedee must be spinning in their graves.

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please tell me, us nikininja what do you consider as punk or punk rock cause you seem to disagree with everyone here !

Johnny as in Johnny Rotten? He was a corporate stooge. The Sex Pistols were the least punk a band could be. Put together by a manager, every move orchestrated.

Johnny Ramone I imagine you were talking about.

Anyways, for true american punk rock check out any of the bands I mentioned in my first post.

Sir after many years as a international gigging punk guitarist with many hardcore and 77 bands, my taste for that sycophantic, self serving, hypocrtical scene is long dead. I certainly cant see any newer bands grabbing my attention. Once Charlie Harper (still gigging at 67) is gone so's the scene.

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i dont think anyone mentioned Stiff Little Fingers.

From the first wave of punk and still going strong

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Niki, I don't think the genre will die. it seems to have the same kind of violently up and down peaks as metal does. i remember everyone thinking punk had run its coarse her in Canada, that the scene had imploded, then along came The Dayglo Abortions, SNFU, the Smalls, and a whole bunch of others. More recently bands like the 3tards have reinvigorated the scene.

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Punk rock can not and will not die. It is as vibrant now as ever.

Maybe out there, here its a very different story. Bands like GBH and Anti Nowhere League keep going on and on, putting on increasingly worse performances and charging increasingly more. Ripping off support acts, promoters and generaly strangling the scene dead. Even Discharge are pretty much the same. Take the Exploited, they played norway demanded £4k and a rider that would overdose shaun ryder. The guitarist rocks up with no gear 2 hours before their due onstage and demands a mesa F50 and a prs mcarty (that he cant play) foe him to use that evening. Another instance was the time we had to sacrifice our pay in order to get the opening band home because greedy Colin from GBH decided he was taking all the notes and pound coins out of the takings despite letting all his mates in hrough the fire escape for free (the gig was on his doorstep). I can recount horror story after horror story of various support bands being treated similarly by 'big name acts'. Hardly very punk rock is it. Two bands that are consistently decent to fans and support acts are the Xentrix and the Uk subs. Both treat you well and pay fairly. Xentrix split all the dough equally. Thats a bit more of the punk DIY i grew up with.

Then theres the fans. Sycophantic, polliticaly correct, save the whale types. Far more like hippies than punks they make me sick. Half the reason i cant take a compliment off anyone is from having to listen to these people say 'ah great set mate, really enjoyed it'. And you've seen em spend the day/evening say exactly the same thing to every other band then slag em off 5 minutes later. They never want to pay to see anyone, or for cd's/tshirts. they think this stuff appears magically along with the petrol you use to get to the venue and the sustinance you require.
I'm utterly sick of em, I'd rather play to neo nazi skinheads. Atleast they've got the bottle to tell you if they thought you were crap.

Punk is very much dead in the UK, luckily its alive and well in northern italy and spain. Them people know how to rebel.

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US BOMBS best thing on the punk scene outta the west. If you want to go further back, despite inventing the stuff the only good bands outta the US on the punk scene were the kennedy's and the ramones. Even the New York Dolls were a marketing tool after a while. There were many great hardcore acts (dri Suicidal tendencies first album etc) but4 thats about as 77 as ministry or slayer.

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i didnt ask which bands do you consider as punk/punk rock. i asked you what is that you would define as punk. music lyrics attitude ???

i have always loved punk music... i listen to and like tons of other music genre but that is where i call home. Personally i think Punk IS more of a mindset than a specific band or style. to me Johnny Cash was just as "punk" as AFI or NoFX. The problem is it became popular, so there are a lot of really generic bands copying a formula - Hot Topix gear, green or blue mohawk... etc, etc. When you watch old documentaries of punk band those guys made their own formula... they did it different and fresh. That is what made it break out so hard. The craptacular disco era created the need for violent backlash against the 1970's excess and boring stamped from a mold disco music. Much like Black Sabbath was born from downtrodden life while the radio played happy Beatles tunes.
Sorry for writing so much.... i guess what i am saying is i do not see much true Punk in the mainstream but when you look for it there is a lot of great punk and psychopunk out there on indie labels but on MTV... not so much.

don't mention it, cool post Bro.

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