I guess I don't understand this statement... Is being a singer-songwriter a bad thing?

Dylan is a singer-songwriter. Young is a singer-songwriter. Crosby, Stills and Nash are all singer-songwriters - they just did it together.

In my opinion, the singer-songwriters are the best part of modern music. There's quite a bit of good music - some of it even on major radio - but the singer-songwriters are the ones who are bringing music back to a better place.

In my opinion, it's also women who are doing it - KT Tunstall and Sara Bareilles are two that come to mind. Sara Bareilles put out her major label debut two years ago, and half of the material was taken from her indie record released two years earlier, with a handful of arrangement changes.

One thing that I think people forget about, is that the "classic rock" stations aren't playing everything that was released in the 60s and 70s... they're playing the songs that have stood the test of time. There was plenty of "cookie-cutter" music back then, too.

I agree that there IS a lot of good music that's coming out right now -- it unfortunately isn't getting a whole lot of airplay on commercial radio. The new stuff that's on the top 40 stations and the so-called "alternative" stations is pretty abysmal, for the most part. Check out your local college station or satellite radio and you might be surprised at what you hear!

SHREDD,I also like most of the bans you listed but there all before the year 2000 I am saying who hs really stepped up in the last 10 years with consistency to be called a great band.Do I think a lot of guys can play there asses of today.YES That is why the only new music I usualy check out is metal or shred and if metal starts moving away(which I think it is) from having a vocalist that sounds like he is having a hard time going to the bathroom roar/and to someone who can really sing some good new stuff could be on the horizen.I just think the last decade has been the worst in music history but maybe the next might change that.

Yea.. Well..There's some grey area there.

What I mean by that is. If you take bands like Tool, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Green Day, Marilyn Manson, Godsmack, Incubus and Korn for example, what decade do you really categorize them as?

Those bands are still making albums and touring, and have enjoyed success in the 90's and the 2000's. Green Day's American idiot was astronomical in sales, and their latest one just might prove to be the same. All of those bands did well in the 2000's as well. So where would you put them exactly?

And where the hell do you categorize Slayer?? They're still going strong as well due to the re-emergence of Death Metal as popular. It's amazing to me that they lasted through the 90's and early part of the 2000's. I remember having a Metal Blade compilation record with them on it somewhere in the early 80's.

As I kind of suspect, a lot of people are thinking in the now as far as metal and screamo being popular with teens, but we're at the tail end of the 2000's. And I think we tend to forget the earlier part of the 2000's and what was big at that time.

I don't think the HOF recognizes decades and eras as much as the public thinks they do. I would think it recognizes bands and artists that made a big impact on the face of music and took things into a different direction, as well as just plain old famous Rock icons that built big followings and what could be seen as culture changes on societies around the world. Anomalies like "Seattle Grunge" being synonymous with bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Alice In Chains.

Bands like Korn who at one point rendered the guitar solo pointless and scoffed at musically by masses of listeners, musicians and bands. And became a part of the honesty kids had with hard issues that were previously unheard of in music and allowed them to feel that it was ok to express them freely as well. Hell, they had a Genre named after them too. (Nu-Metal)

Bands like that had big impacts on teens and 20 and 30 somethings around the world and put a big kink in the landscape of Rock.

What about Slipknot ? I tend to think of them as more of a famous band than I do as being as impactful as Korn. But certainly famous enough to be considered.

As far as Screamo/Metal bands go, who's to say? It might not be something that will be considered impactful on the 2000's as much as it may in the 2010's. The phenomenon didn't start to take shape until the second half or tail end of the decade. I would have to say myself that I don't see a clear-cut forerunner in the genre that would make it in before the aforementioned. I'm not as versed in the Genre so I really just don't know. Lamb of God, As I lay Dying, Killswitch Engage, Children of Bodom, Hatebreed, All That Remains, Meshuggah?? Not sure. We might see more bands like Knickleback,Coldplay, My Chemical Romance, etc.. as being the choice of consideration for the HOF before we do the Metal/Screamo bands in the now when the time for consideration comes around (2050). Only time will tell I guess.

That's my opinion anyway.

Im 13.....gonna be 14 and a HS Freshmen next August and theres less than a handful of bands from the 90s or 2000s I listen too. I mainly listen to 60s 70s 80s music.

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Music from all periods either do it for me or don't.
There are songs that catch you with their hook no matter who the performer is or from what "generation" they come.

I guess my opinion is that some music is Great, most music is Good but there's a lot of Crap out there whether from the 50's, 60's or today.

If it moves you in some way, then it's Great.

If we all could agree that music moves you, then you'd have no problem accepting todays stuff. Like many of you I'm old. 52 is not 21 or 14 but you groove to what you groove to. I'm very heavyly influenced by R&B however in Pittsburgh the local Urban Contemparary station has been sold to a Christian Formatted group. What are the children of tomorrow going to listen to if your confined to one particular genre of music? Economics has changed this world so many more will be have nots. Be thankful for the influences that you had and hope that maybe someone will bestow that on todays kids...

It's not that hard to understand. They never called themselves "singer songwriters". Indie labels needed something to make themselves "special" Dylan and CSN never called themselves that. Neil Yong would consider himself "The Godfather of Grunge" before a Singer Songwriter. They are musicians. Dylan was at one time a Folk Singer though.

Wouldn't anyone who sings and writes a song be a singer songwriter even if they couldn't really play an instrument? It's just another label. Many musicians actually hate the term. I've been around professional musicians for a long time and they get a chuckle at at the label.

There was a lot of bad music in the 60s, 70s, 80s, every decade, just like now. But there was some great music too, just like now. Derek Trucks Band, Brad Paisley, Kenny Wayne Shepard.

I think people just like what they grow up with for their entire lifetime. If you were a teenager in the 60s you will always like some of the music from that era. If you are a teenager now, that music is of interest from a historical perspective, but you will find your own music, what speaks to you and your generation.

By the way, I was a teenager in the 60s, Vietnam Veteran etc. With the exception of Disco music I have been able to find something of interest most every year. Rap & Hip Hop do nothing for me, but then I'm not their target audience. Grab your crotch and talk in rhyme to a drum track. OK, I know there is more to it than that, but if there is no room for a Stratocaster in the music, I'm not really interested.

I agree that we could be due for another big shakeup in the world of pop and rock music.

The last time that happened was in the early 90s with grunge -- and whether or not you like bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam or Alice in Chains, it's hard to disagree that those acts helped to rejuvinate rock'n'roll and send it in a new direction. Now, I remember leading up to that period hearing some of the absolute worst music on the radio in my lifetime -- it was all stuff like C+C Music Factory, New Kids on the Block, Paula Abdul and hair metal.

We do seem to have been in a bit of a drought for awhile, and it does appear that uncertain social and economic conditions tend to help breed creativity in art, movies and music (Vietnam in the 60s, a rough economy in the 70s and early 90s). So perhaps people are ready once again to hear something really new and exciting (it would at least be a silver lining to the dark clouds hanging over our economy these days!).

I'm definitely far more into music from the 60's and 70's as opposed to the garbage that's being put out today. I'm a 20-year old. This is supposed to be my generation. I should be embracing what's being put out right now. But really, I simply can't bring myself to liking the top-40 hiphop, the rap, the metal, techno and all that crap. What happened to actual music?

It bothers me alot that I missed the golden era of tunes by only about 40 years.

Yea, I guess I would be frustrated by that as well. In my early 20's I listened to a lot of Blues music and other different older stuff while almost all of my friends were still listening to Heavy metal and Glam. Although I got my nickname during the glam era, I did get really tired of it. I liked some of it, and I was good at playing it. But I eventually just wanted to hear and play something else, and older music is always good to embrace during those times.

When I said I wanted to go see Jeff Beck and SRV live, my friends looked at me like I was nuts. But guess who got to see one kick-ass concert!! I had to pay for the tickets for 2 of my friends just so they would go with me to see it.

I guess my point is:

1. I don't see anything wrong with embracing older music. I think everyone should. There are so many great songs from the past. Here's a video of an opening act at our last festival. These 3 girls provided a really cool classic moment amidst a line-up of screamo, ska, punk, and Reggae bands. The girl with the shaker is an AWESOME drummer of one of the other bands. So it was that much more classic. The song is from the 20's I believe.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEVS86CN ... re=related

2. Nobody's really forcing you to listen to what's popular now. If you don't like it, best way to get rid of it is to ignore it and don't buy it. It's already in the air that this Metal/ Screamo fad is on it's way to being obliterated. I don't see anything different about it than the Glam era. You're probably better off ignoring it now so you can laugh at your friends later. Trust me.

3. There IS good music out there right now. You just have to look beyond the popular and the norm of your generation. 1 band I recently became a big fan of is SOJA.

SOJA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X572Mp_r46E

I'm finding good stuff every week, but it takes my effort to keep an open mind and seek it out. I could care less about what's popular.

Last year I hung up my Heavy licks in favor of Reggae music. I don't want to live in the past, and I'm not exactly fond of the Metal/Screamo phase of today (It's already been done before). So I decided to step outside the box and experiment with this Genre. So far it's been a blast. We're quickly becoming one of the unique bands here in Vegas that's a refreshing change to being screamed at for 45-minutes that people are taking notice of and giving good feedback to. There's starting to be an influx of non-screaming bands being formed here that are coming up with some really cool ideas, and we're glad to be a part of the scene. So I'm optimistic and relieved to see that Vegas is already starting to buck the norm.

Having read only the first page of posts, I have to say it is like comparing oranges to apples. There is a lot of good music being created and played today. The early sixties were a mass of different influences that were holdovers from the 50's. The Brill building was still writing up a ton of songs and artists were singing and playing them. The singer songwriters were the folk musicians who were finding an audience at around the time that Dylan hit NYC and then it exploded. An american band, the Beach Boys were budding stars as were the Byrds, who covered the folk scene adding Beatles like sounds (12 String Ric) The Beatles get credit for the formation all of these garage bands that were fast hitting the scene and by copying their sounds and becoming superstars. They were also responsible for the British Invasion where Americans were happy to by anything english. There were pockets like Memphis, Detroit, San Francisco, LA, NYC, Texas where music was flourishing each with it's own distinct sound. There was a lot of competition back then. As for radio play, Top 40 was king and ever city had a number of stations that competed with each other. All tighly formatted with heavy rotation of the hit songs. Also, every song was less than 3:30 too. Till Dylan changed that. When FM came into vogue in the mid to late 60's, the formats were very free form offering listeners great fidelity and a bunch of great music from what we call classic rock to jazz even some classical. One day vince Scelsa of WNEW played Born to Run four straight times to open one of his shows. the stations also would play concerts from the musicians they played. t was great, till the late 70's top 40 station owners decided that the FM fidelity was better than the bad AM reception. AM became talk radio and slowly but surely, radio was in trouble because of deregulation big corporations were buying up many stations in each market and one guy would format that style of music for all of them. Now because of companies like Infinity, clear channel, Radio sucks. Satellite radio isn't much better because it has way to manhy formats to cover with a station. that is very expensive for one company to do and when you consider that most XM/Sirrius stations are in cars, that is only about 30-60 minutes a day that most people will listen to the radio. why pay for something you can get for free such a short perido of time. I think I am ranbling, but lets just say that today musicians don't have the same chances for people to hear their mucis. Even with YouTube, Facebook and MySpace pages is a new avenues to offer mucis, it just isn't the same Less venues for bands to learn their craft. Talent decisions are now made by bean counters who don't know $@!& about the craft of music and are making artist decisions. The key is now always bottom line. Big record labels are falling by the wayside and even miusic stores are closing because no one buys CD's or albums. money is tight and every band wants to be the next American Idol. What is left is way too commercialized.

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