Censorship of music is just wrong full stop. Whether its used as a marketing tool like it was for the pistols, or as a tool to do us good and keep us all as good untainted christian souls by the pmrc. Easily governable, unable to communicate to our full capabilities, sheep in a penn.
The really worrying thing about the whole censorship travesty is the way it impinges on our civil liberties or lack thereof. Who the hell is anyone to tell me what i can or cant say. How can any goverment that supports any form of censorship claim to be a democracy, or rule a free country?

Dave Mustaine said it best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufT2CN-JpS8&feature=related
I dont agree with the war on terror overtones of that video. Its not the origianal video by the band. There have been a lot of liberties lost to americans since the start of the whole war. Bought in under the radar on the whole premise that they are for your/our own good.

My personal opinion of pro-censor groups is that i'd like to censor their vile fascist mouths. Then i'd be as bad as them.

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I think by generating buzz like this WM thinks (and probably will,) increase the number of units of everything from toilet paper to shampoo to...

by sacrificing some units of Green day CD's.



Wasn't the rapper refused Snoop Dog, and had something to do with handguns and/or pot if I remember.

And Niki, I really don't think this Green Day Walmart case applies to anything like what you stated. It is one vendor not carrying an item, for whatever reason. They have made no moves to block production, or impose restrictions upon other vendors/retailers, it is an internal decision only. The only impact it has on anyone is going to a different store, or ordering online. If WM were to use its buying clout to try force the record label to change all copies, or limit sales that would be different, Green day was given the choice of not dealing with WM, or to make another version. The opted to only make the original version, and deal with other distribution channels. Do I think it's silly, yes. But it is not morally wrong.

I don't shop at Walmart, (the only reason I know about the Dexter DVD's being there is I lent 'em to a friend, and his kid wrecked one, so he bought the replacement at WM.) I think this is one time where they aren't actually really in the wrong. People let them slide on so much stuff, but jump on this.

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Ah, I think that might be the one. But if I'm remembering right he had lyrics that urged people to kill on homophobic grounds, which is incitement to murder and which we have laws against. I think that was it...

Anyhow. If I read it right wasn't the other thread saying that Walmart/Wal-Mart (?) have indeed had bands produce alternative versions of albums for sale with them? I guess that was the bit that I was really expressing surprise over. I believe Nikininja and I are in agreement on that sort of thing.

Though the horrible truth is I am so middle-aged - and have been for so long - that no one has ever wanted to censor any of the music I like...

Cheers - C

I thought this thread was about censorship in general.
The wallmart greenday thread is elsewhere.

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My mistake, you're right.


I think the best thing is to let them speak as much as possible, and challenge them to support their agenda.Silencing them only makes them martyrs.Give em enough rope, they will hang themselves. In reality that's what did in the PMRC. If you don't confront them, and make them talk they can couch their views, and seem to be rational. What did the PMRC in was the musicians that stood up to them, and defended themselves. The PMRC eventually had to defend their platform, and they revealed their true nature, and couldn't hide behind the "but think of the children" sound bytes.

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Entirely 12B

I think the whole education over ignorance ethos is the only thing that will silence them. As Ceri stated earlier (maybe a different thread) the readily available illicit viewing material and lack of teenage pregnancy in Norway. When you compare that to Englands highly policed viewing/buying laws it certainly puts a perspective on education. Much like the rest of europes lax alcohol laws, integration to alcohol at an early age and the fact that they suffer far less with alcohol abuse than the UK does.

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