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Post subject: Why is Teeny Bopper bubble gum music popular?
Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 4:31 pm
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i mean who actually wakes up in the morning and says "You know what i feel like making crap music".

I don't understand this at all.


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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 5:20 pm
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i mean who actually wakes up in the morning and says "You know what i feel like making crap music".


Nobody does that.

Truth is, the people who make the music you hate? They really like it. In their opinion, it's you that is wrong.


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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 5:46 pm
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They like that music. They like uncomplicated music. I honestly can't understand how Milley Cirus can still enjoy that same scheme (though maybe, just maybe, she could be getting sick of it, I don't know, maybe she's just paid to stand it), but oh well, what can we do when not every child likes rock.

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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 5:56 pm
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It sometimes is amazing what people will like if the moneys right :wink:

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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:06 pm
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"Why does everything have to be so complicated" Can we throw Avral Lavine in that bunch? Because I think Miley's been doing her covers. How about Gwen Steffani?

Regardless, there are worse things in life. If these people can make money, more power to them. My conspiracy theories lead me to believe that I'm the one that doesn't get it. Everyone else is having fun making tons of money in this world for doing nothing. Just for being at the right place at the right time.


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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:31 pm
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The music out there is formulated.For those who do not understand I have a modes tape with FRANK GAMBALE and he talks about writing music for movies and if it is a tender love scene you would use the aelion mode,because it is sad and romantic .Or if it is a dream scene you could use lydian because of its floating dream like quality.So they get these to proffesional songwriters who know how to reach a BRITTNEY SPEARS AUDIANCE OR A MILEY CYRUS YOUNG AUDIANCE.Even when really good bands hit a snag they will bring in someone like a DESMOND CHILD to write with them AEROSMITH TO HEART TO BON JOVI to name a few have done this,In fact AEROSMITHS only number 1 DONT WANT TO MISS A THING was not even written by them,HARD TO BELIEVE WITH ALL THE CLASSICS THEY HAVE WRITTEN.To me the bottom line is that any band that does not write 70% of there music(unless it is a blues artist )cannot be take serious as artist and these fabricated artist are just that a creation of a label.


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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:39 pm
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Well 'just another' what you think is CRAP millions think is good :shock: a lot of the people that produce this stuff are just smiling all the way to the bank. If I could come up with some Pop thing that you think is stupid but it made me millions I would be smiling. Give me the money

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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 5:57 am
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Watch the South Park episode featuring the "Jonas Brothers" and Mickey Mouse pretty much answers your question.

The music industry, and most industries in general at times, will sacrifice good taste and decency if they can make a dollar off it. I am sure that the execs for the label that Miley Cyrus or the Jonas Brothers are on probably hate the music, but love the huge checks that come in from sales, merchandising, etc....

In fact for decades now the "music" industry for the most part is not concerned about music but profits....

Its like in the movie "The Harder They Come" when the record company owner states,"This is show business. No business, no show."

Its not about talent, its about marketability. Its not about the actual content of the CD, but how its marketed, or whoever has enough "promotional" money to pay radio stations to play it. Payola still exists, its just called Promotion now, and I know this from working in FM Radio for nearly a decade, working my way up from part-time weekend guy to Program Director, though I haven't been involved in it for a few years...

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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:22 am
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Most people (I think) want to be entertained, not challenged, educated, rebuked, etc. when they listen to music, watch movies or view art. So standard beats (usually 4/4), proven melodies and lyrics are what sell. It isn't that the person wakes up and says "Gee, I want to write some crap" but rather "Gee, I'd love to work in the music industry even if it means writing formulaic tunes than be sitting at some desk all day stamping widgets."

My friends and family tell me I'm a decent guitarist and that most of my original melodies are "very nice," "interesting," "you really should record that for the 'jazz set' some day" and so on. But after about 30 seconds of one of these melodies they like so much, I start getting the patient nods. And then someone will work up the courage to say ... well, hey, that was terrific but ummm, maybe could you play something we know. You know, and with words and all so we can sing along ...

Soooo, I launch into some 4 decades old Stones song with three chords and in seconds I've gone from "interesting" to WOW DUDE, YOU SHOULD BE BACK ON STAGE!!! Some start singing the lyrics, a few may start dancing and in a flash I've gone from a tune that might get me into Berklee to one that might pay the bills.

That's just how it works I guess ... you can play for yourself or "them." But if you play for them, you have to play what they respond to. As I always looked at it, the audience paid so they get to call the tune.


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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:30 pm
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When hasn't teeny bopper bubble gum music been popular?
It's easy money. You've had Rick Nelson - The Beatles - Bobby Sherman - David Cassidy - Donny Osmond - New Kids - Tiffany - etc, etc.


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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:00 pm
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Because the teeny bopper bubblegum chewers have us outnumbered. :?


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My friends and family tell me I'm a decent guitarist and that most of my original melodies are "very nice," "interesting," "you really should record that for the 'jazz set' some day" and so on. But after about 30 seconds of one of these melodies they like so much, I start getting the patient nods. And then someone will work up the courage to say ... well, hey, that was terrific but ummm, maybe could you play something we know. You know, and with words and all so we can sing along ...

Soooo, I launch into some 4 decades old Stones song with three chords and in seconds I've gone from "interesting" to WOW DUDE, YOU SHOULD BE BACK ON STAGE!!! Some start singing the lyrics, a few may start dancing and in a flash I've gone from a tune that might get me into Berklee to one that might pay the bills.


You hit the nail on the head. I play some fairly long, involved, semi-complicated blues or jazz tune that I like a lot and people just sort of bear with it. I play some obscure blues or old rock song and people just say "oh, that's good". But when I play Sweet Home Alabama or some Led Zeppelin riff people say "OH MY GOSH!!! YOU CAN PLAY SWEET HOME ALABAMA!!! YOU ROOOOOCK!!!". And that's a true story. :roll:
I tried to explain how much better what I had been playing at first was, and how Sweet Home Alabama is really a very easier song, but people don't get that unless they actually play guitar.

That's also why I got more cheers for Sunshine of Your Love at my show than I got for any other song I played, even though IMO Sunshine was the easiest one I played. In fact, I nearly didn't play it because of the "beginner song" stigma attached to it.

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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:40 pm
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What's the old saying..."People like what they know, but they don't necessarily know what they like." Something like that...

Most people, non-musicians especially, enjoy listening to music that sounds familliar to their ears. They're not necessarily interested in hearing anything new or challenging. That's why teeny-bopper pop remains so popular. It's also partially why adult contemporary and classic rock stations play the same 'ol songs over and over again, year after year, decade after decade (I mean, really, I've probably involuntarily heard that stupid "I've Had The Time of Life" song from Dirty Dancing on average about once a week -- maybe more -- pretty much constantly since 1987! I imagine I'll still be hearing it on the PA system at the nursing home they eventually send me off to...).

It's a shame that people in general aren't more adventurous when it comes to their listening tastes, but that's "just the way it is, some things will never change..." (AARRGGH, Bruce Hornsby and the Range, don't get me started!!).


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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 5:17 am
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I would just like to add one more thing guys that maybe we all lose sight of .Just because a song is not complicated to play does not mean it is not a heavyweight song.Dylan,Neil Young,CCR well i could make a very long list of people who write amazing songs that are not complicated.It just boils down to knowingly writing formula structured songs with the intent to have hits using juvenile lyrics that is sickening to me AND THE NO TALENT BARBIE AND KENS they get to sing them.And I dont think it is fair to ever call the beatles a teeny bop group,I mean they couldnt help it that they had every girl in the world wet between the legs when they arrived but right from the first album you have to look at what was being written in all of music and how many beatle songs consist of 3 chords and even the few early ones that where a lil light always had some great guitar part or riff,and also I have to stick up for Rick Nelson.Even though he did not writehis songs I feel he was a genuine rockabilly artist just ask JAMES BURTON and I think a lot of people would agree with me on that one.


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Oh, my god... there are evil, blackhearted writers and producers working with deliberate intent to create hit records? Shock horror!!

Why do you think people go into the music business? To make the world a better place? To "express themselves?" To forge new pathways in guitar soloing?

No, they go into it to make a living... a real good one if they can, an obscenely rich one if that's a possibility.

If you want to be a pure-hearted artist, then go for it. Sit in your cubicle at the Pure-Hearted Dojo and play for Bog and All His Holy Angels. But the first time you take $50 from a bar owner for playing (somebodys else's hit songs, I might point out), then you're in the same boat with Diane Warren.


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