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Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin are awesome! If it weren't for Page, I probably wouldn't have picked up a guitar in the first place. Not only did he come up with some of the most exciting guitar solos ever ("Stairway...," "Good Times, Bad Times," "Achilles Last Stand," "Since I've Been Loving You," among others), but he's also the ultimate riff-master ("Heartbreaker," "Black Dog," "Out on the Tiles" immediately come to mind).

I don't listen to them quite so much anymore (you can only listen to the same ol' songs so many times before you get a little tired of them), but I still think they're among the best bands ever. Sure, not everyone is going to like them, but they've obviously struck a chord with a whole bunch of people and continue to draw tons of new fans nearly 30 years after their breakup.


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... for those who dont know the band that well stop listening to all the worn out famous tracks and check out gems like,TEN YEARS GONE,ACHILLES LAST STAND,THE OCEAN AND so many more...

Add "Tea For One" off Presence to that list...

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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 7:21 pm
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How come it always seems like someone has something bad to say about Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin even "fans"


Here's one. Led Zeppelin is the best band in the WORLD!!!!!!!!! So what if they didn't reunite. I think they get their much-deserved rest!


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If you sit down and closely watch 'The Song Remains The Same' (with a quality HT sound setup), you get a pretty good glimpse into how brilliant Jimmy Page was. This was Led Zeppelin - in my opinion - at their peak. After many years, the entire band's live sound (especially Page) was finally honed. This was when they had evolved from being a raucous blues-rock outfit to being the ultimate rock and roll machine -- streamlined and firing hard on all cylinders. This was before all the drugs, when Page had speed to burn, and basically formed the modern "guitar hero" prototype. Further, when you really appreciate its 1973 context and their contemporaries, it is even more amazing.

1973 was Jimmy Page on top of his game. His many years of "work in progress" with Dazed and Confused was finally completed. His ability to play endless eloquent and fluid guitar solos - in my opinion - has never been matched. And these are solos on top of some of the most formidible rock songs ever written. Regardless of a few missed notes here and there, Jimmy Page showed himself as the ultimate guitar hero, attached to a prolific musical vision.

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Jimmy Page was ALWAYS at the top of his game.


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Jimmy Page was ALWAYS at the top of his game.

Here is my opinion...

Prior to 1973, Page was a tremendous guitar player, but still a little rough around the edges. He was a little sloppy, and also seemed like he was hunting for his live tone. But it was in 1973 that Page's playing really hit a new peak. The speed and tone that he had been nurturing for years really came together with pure eloquence. He achieved the surreal ability to play long and fast guitar solos endlessly -- where every note seemed to radiate from the heavens. Back in '71, he was playing great, but not this good. So for 1973 to 1976, Page's guitar playing was absolutely monstrous. But post '76 the decline began. Page's playing became much slower and more muddy. He was still great, but not the same. The magical '73-76 years clearly became "long time gone"...

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01GT eibach wrote:
guitarmanjt wrote:
Jimmy Page was ALWAYS at the top of his game.

Here is my opinion...

Prior to 1973, Page was a tremendous guitar player, but still a little rough around the edges. He was a little sloppy, and also seemed like he was hunting for his live tone. But it was in 1973 that Page's playing really hit a new peak. The speed and tone that he had been nurturing for years really came together with pure eloquence. He achieved the surreal ability to play long and fast guitar solos endlessly -- where every note seemed to radiate from the heavens. Back in '71, he was playing great, but not this good. So for 1973 to 1976, Page's guitar playing was absolutely monstrous. But post '76 the decline began. Page's playing became much slower and more muddy. He was still great, but not the same. The magical '73-76 years clearly became "long time gone"...


Well, Led Zeppelin was okay in Seattle in 1977. I saw a youtube video.


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Well, Led Zeppelin was okay in Seattle in 1977. I saw a youtube video.

No doubt. In my opinion, Zeppelin and Page were always great. But Page - as a lead-guitar player - was absolutely magical in '73-76. I was a huge fan of Page in the Firm, too (still am, actually). But seeing Page live in 1985 was absolutely night and day from his live playing in 1975 -- night and day... And this is no slam on Page and Zep ... they were amazing. I am a huge fan of Jimmy Page.

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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:48 pm
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How come it always seems like someone has something bad to say about Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin even "fans"


I would say it's a combination of blatant jealousy and blatant frustration for Led Zeppelin not reuniting.


It's because Zeppelin blatantly stole music from Willie Dixon and called it their own. They were sued by Dixon and he was awarded somewhere around a million dollars. He wasn't the dumb old bluesman they thought he was.

http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/Zep/WholeLottaLove.php

Zeppelin were great musicians but not real ethical. Taking another persons song and making your own and giving credit isn't the same as taking another persons song and calling it your own.

Dixon Was the Hoochie Coochie Man. Muddy Waters made it famous.
Dixon was one of the finest song writers of his time and deserved better. Many bands covered blues songs in the 60's. The Animals, the Stones, but they gave credit where credit was do.


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Here's my take on it.

As a society we like to build up "heroes" whether they deserve that title or not.
But then we love to tear them down.
That's a part of it.

But the bigger thing is this-
In the late 60's/early 70's Zep were innovators--taking what had gone before and making it their own. Yes they stole songs--and Page once lamented that Plant was supposed to change the words more.

Page's main talent was in producing. He got a sound that endures.
Try switching the balance from left to right on Zep's songs---you'll find some neat stuff you may have missed. On some songs the drums are all on one side--yet they sound full and booming.

In any case what happened for a backlash is that as Zep got bigger and more influential, others inevitably copied them, and so we got inundated with clones that weren't as good, and we got tired of it--so people said the same thing about Zep.

I remember the late 80's/early 90's "power ballad" craze--eventually it crashed--and people complained that all power ballads were boring--forgetting that some people pioneered that and did it well--including Zep. But it all got lumped together.

But it's also music--and you're free to like or dislike what doesn't speak to you.

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zontar wrote:
Here's my take on it.

As a society we like to build up "heroes" whether they deserve that title or not.
But then we love to tear them down.
That's a part of it.

But the bigger thing is this-
In the late 60's/early 70's Zep were innovators--taking what had gone before and making it their own. Yes they stole songs--and Page once lamented that Plant was supposed to change the words more.

Page's main talent was in producing. He got a sound that endures.
Try switching the balance from left to right on Zep's songs---you'll find some neat stuff you may have missed. On some songs the drums are all on one side--yet they sound full and booming.

In any case what happened for a backlash is that as Zep got bigger and more influential, others inevitably copied them, and so we got inundated with clones that weren't as good, and we got tired of it--so people said the same thing about Zep.

I remember the late 80's/early 90's "power ballad" craze--eventually it crashed--and people complained that all power ballads were boring--forgetting that some people pioneered that and did it well--including Zep. But it all got lumped together.

But it's also music--and you're free to like or dislike what doesn't speak to you.


Yeah i reckon Page was good in the studio too, but i also think he had great feel as a guitarist, knew his way round the fretboard and carried that band live. saw em in feb '74, they were GREAT.

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Well, I think what he did as a producer was definitely influenced by his "musician-ness" and was built around his abilities on the guitar. He took what he could do & built on that and added others that fit into those ideas & plans.
Sometimes a band is successful for the simple reason of the right people coming together at the right time.

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Love Zep, still one of my 70's favorites. :)

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I could play 'Stairway to Heaven' when I was 14. Jimmy Page didn't write it until he was 28. I think that says alot.

I don't remember where I heard this but it cracked me up.

Major Zeppelin fan. Major Jimmy Page fan.

Lost a bunch of discs in a move and needed to replace a lot of Zeppelin. There's a boxed set avail Jimmy and another remastered in...mid '90's? All their studio albums. 10 discs. 5 double cd cases, each side with the appropriate album cover. 'Bout a hunerd and a quarter, I think, but excellent.


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