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Should "Fender" guitars made outside the US be branded seperately?
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Yes, Fender guitars made in the US are the only true Fenders 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
No, Fender guitars made anywhere are still Fenders. 95%  95%  [ 38 ]
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Post subject: Should MIM "Fenders" be branded differently?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 10:05 am
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Fender guitars made in the Pacific Rim area plants are Squier branded. Should FMIC brand the Fender guitars made in Mexico as a unique entity as well, instead of putting a Fender decal on the headstock?

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i found some infos here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squier#History

in the 90' was some squiers made in mexico, sn starts with MN......

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Groovy thanks, I was just wondering if a "brand-uniqueness" might quiet down the never ending MIA vs MIM debates.

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Groovy thanks, I was just wondering if a "brand-uniqueness" might quiet down the never ending MIA vs MIM debates.

Hmm. Based on this quote from you on another thread today...
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Dude even with the Fender name on the headstock it will still say "Made in Mexico". My point is, to many of us out there if it's not MIA it's not truly a Fender guitar regardless of the sticker on the headstock.

...I'd say you are one of the prime agitators in fomenting this "debate."

If FMIC sees fit to put the word "Fender" on the headstock, it is a Fender guitar. Period. You are free to buy only American-made models, but that does not make them more authentic than those Fender products that are made elsewhere.

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I gotta say that's just a silly debate because you left out Made In Japan models that were some of the first Reissues of the 52,57, and 62 models and they are absolutely stellar. So there is no debate. A Fender is a Fender but a Squier is not a Fender. Cause it says Squier by Fender.


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mthorn00 wrote:
Groovy thanks, I was just wondering if a "brand-uniqueness" might quiet down the never ending MIA vs MIM debates.

Hmm. Based on this quote from you on another thread today...
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Dude even with the Fender name on the headstock it will still say "Made in Mexico". My point is, to many of us out there if it's not MIA it's not truly a Fender guitar regardless of the sticker on the headstock.

...I'd say you are one of the prime agitators in fomenting this "debate."

If FMIC sees fit to put the word "Fender" on the headstock, it is a Fender guitar. Period. You are free to buy only American-made models, but that does not make them more authentic than those Fender products that are made elsewhere.




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In trying to answer his question about whether the guitar he was thinking about buying is worth $200 more just because it has a Fender decal on the headstock (IMO no it's not) I mentioned an opinion that is held by more than a few people.

It got me wondering about Fender branding the MIM guitars differently. I decided to ask the question.

I think that for most people the decision to buy American, Mexican, or any other build location, is based more on price than anything else. Though I do know a couple of players who bought MIM Standards over Squiers just because of the Fender decal on the headstock.

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No, Fender guitars made anywhere are still Fenders.

Try out a JV or Cray model. :wink:

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I've owned two Custom Shop Fenders, a killer MIJ 52 Tele.
I own an AMSE 50th Limited edition Strat
I have a MIM standard Tele that is as good as any of them.
and it is bone stock.

The MIM's since late 05 are ????? what can you say ?

I do miss that extra fret when playing in the key of D

There must be something of more value we can talk about here !!!!

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Did you know that many General Motors cars are not made in USA anymore? A lot of Chevys and other GM models are made in Canada. Did you know that most Toyotas sold in the USA are made in the USA??Are Chevys Canadian, or Toyotas American?? Who cares, and drive it!!
The guitar itself does not know if the hands that made it are American, Mexican, Chinese etc.. Nor do the hands that are playing the guitar. I judge a guitar on a cost verses performance basis. If it performs and I think it is a fair price, I will buy it.
That being said, it is the design, research and development that Fender is selling. Wood is wood, steel is steel, plastic is plastic. No matter where it is made, you get what you pay for.
What could you get from Corona for $189??? You can't even get a MIA neck for that much. The USA has priced itself out of the low/mid priced guitar market. And it is our own fault.
To each his own.......


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The guitar itself does not know if the hands that made it are American, Mexican, Chinese etc.. Nor do the hands that are playing the guitar. I judge a guitar on a cost verses performance basis. If it performs and I think it is a fair price, I will buy it.
That being said, it is the design, research and development that Fender is selling. Wood is wood, steel is steel, plastic is plastic. No matter where it is made, you get what you pay for.

Amen to that. Last week I saw John 5 go to town on his $379 signature Squier Telecaster, and he made that sucker cry. I'm not about to tell him that it's no good.

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Seriously, was John 5 really playing the $379 Squier signature or was he playing his high dollar custom that the Squier was built to look like?

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Seriously, was John 5 really playing the $379 Squier signature or was he playing his high dollar custom that the Squier was built to look like?

He started with the Fender and switched to the Squier halfway through. He was there to promote the Squier.

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mthorn00 wrote:
Seriously, was John 5 really playing the $379 Squier signature or was he playing his high dollar custom that the Squier was built to look like?

He started with the Fender and switched to the Squier halfway through. He was there to promote the Squier.


Well that is pretty darned cool :D

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What about Made in Japan or made in Korea? A company name is a company name. What would the reason be to do that? Does the words Made In ???? which is required not answer what people may want to no?

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