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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:01 pm
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I'd offer the opinion that guitar magazines represent the view of the guitar industry. Take a look at next years poll i bet its full of this years endorsee's.
Rolling stone on the other hand represents what has sold the previous year.

Public opinion matters nothing on such things. Were just sheep that have to be bled, our opinions dont matter. Thats why your kids could see sex sells based adverts on TV at 7.30 (now thakfully theres a 9pm watershed) just to sell chocolate in the 90's. As a mature/adult man go read a teenage magazine and see whats being injected into kid's eyes. The cover says 12 the content says 16 atleast.

Sorry I've got strong views on sales. Its my patriarchal nature.

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nrt4 wrote:
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There not overrated

Slash
Led Zeppelin
Guns N Roses
AC/DC
Kiss

Are all overrated


Am I reading this correctly? Are you actually saying Led Zeppelin is overrated?

Maybe you are confusing Led Zeppelin with another band. Or you maybe you are just suggesting your dont prefer Led Zeppelins music, which is perfectly fine. Because to say LZ is overrated is somewhat oxymoronic as LZ typically ranks as one of the 5 most influential rock bands of all time.....as voted on my the readers of venerated rock industry rags like Rolling Stone Magezine.

I mean, can a band be universally "overrated" by everybody? Or does that logic defeat itself?
Thats just my own opinion. I mean Led Zeppelin shouldnt be in the top 5 influences (top 20 maybe) But the real people who should take Zeps place in the influences list are the blues artist who wrote the music to a big chunk of the Zep catalog
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Led Zeppelin is definately not overated. They are the most talented band ever best live band ever and best catalouge

and about the blues artists thing last time i checked a big chunk is not less than 1 tenth


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alwaysstrat wrote:
the Doors overrated? not even close
they were brilliant/Morrison simply brilliant.

overrated bands

1.Led zeppelin - very overrated
2.jimmy page - very overrated
3. Slash
4. Guns n Roses



Explain how Jimmy and Zep are overated


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nikininja wrote:
I'd offer the opinion that guitar magazines represent the view of the guitar industry. Take a look at next years poll i bet its full of this years endorsee's.
Rolling stone on the other hand represents what has sold the previous year.

Public opinion matters nothing on such things. Were just sheep that have to be bled, our opinions dont matter. Thats why your kids could see sex sells based adverts on TV at 7.30 just to sell chocolate years ago. As a mature/adult man go read a teenage magazine and see whats being injected into kid's eyes. The cover says 12 the content says 16 atleast.

Sorry I've got strong views on sales. Its my patriarchal nature.


The only Music Mag. I read Niki is the U.K. published GUITAR & bass I never miss that one. The others I don't even look through there just 70% adds. I do read Financials and a few others.

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Personally, I love The Doors, but this question really has no "correct" answer for everyone. Music is supposed to be subjective with no one band or style to be right or wrong, or good or bad, just personal opinion. Though I love the bands I love, I don't have any arguments against anyone that doesn't love those bands, it's just their opinion. That's what's great about music in general, there is no best at anything, just what different people love and find beautiful and creative.


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nikininja wrote:
I'd offer the opinion that guitar magazines represent the view of the guitar industry. Take a look at next years poll i bet its full of this years endorsee's.
Rolling stone on the other hand represents what has sold the previous year.

Public opinion matters nothing on such things. Were just sheep that have to be bled, our opinions dont matter. Thats why your kids could see sex sells based adverts on TV at 7.30 just to sell chocolate years ago. As a mature/adult man go read a teenage magazine and see whats being injected into kid's eyes. The cover says 12 the content says 16 atleast.

Sorry I've got strong views on sales. Its my patriarchal nature.


The only Music Mag. I read Niki is the U.K. published GUITAR & bass I never miss that one. The others I don't even look through there just 70% adds. I do read Financials and a few others.


Oh man their all as bad. Great reviews for the people that buy advertizing space and nearly good reviews for the advertizers they hope to attract.
The conistantly best magazine i've ever read is guitar world. Half near tabs, good advice (not including diy repair though, more playing) and the best interviews.

hehe guess were both far too jaded to be swayed eh mate?
(p.s dont ever think that, the second you think it your under their spell). :lol:

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nikininja wrote:
I'd offer the opinion that guitar magazines represent the view of the guitar industry. Take a look at next years poll i bet its full of this years endorsee's.
Rolling stone on the other hand represents what has sold the previous year.

Public opinion matters nothing on such things. Were just sheep that have to be bled, our opinions dont matter. Thats why your kids could see sex sells based adverts on TV at 7.30 (now thakfully theres a 9pm watershed) just to sell chocolate in the 90's. As a mature/adult man go read a teenage magazine and see whats being injected into kid's eyes. The cover says 12 the content says 16 atleast.

Sorry I've got strong views on sales. Its my patriarchal nature.


Guitar player international and Guitar World
have more creaditbility than Rolling Stone Mag.

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alwaysstrat wrote:

Guitar player international and Guitar World
have more creaditbility than Rolling Stone Mag.


Dirty toilet paper has more credibility than Rolling Stone

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I'd offer the opinion that guitar magazines represent the view of the guitar industry. Take a look at next years poll i bet its full of this years endorsee's.
Rolling stone on the other hand represents what has sold the previous year.

Public opinion matters nothing on such things. Were just sheep that have to be bled, our opinions dont matter. Thats why your kids could see sex sells based adverts on TV at 7.30 just to sell chocolate years ago. As a mature/adult man go read a teenage magazine and see whats being injected into kid's eyes. The cover says 12 the content says 16 atleast.

Sorry I've got strong views on sales. Its my patriarchal nature.


The only Music Mag. I read Niki is the U.K. published GUITAR & bass I never miss that one. The others I don't even look through there just 70% adds. I do read Financials and a few others.


Oh man their all as bad. Great reviews for the people that buy advertizing space and nearly good reviews for the advertizers they hope to attract.
The conistantly best magazine i've ever read is guitar world. Half near tabs, good advice (not including diy repair though, more playing) and the best interviews.

hehe guess were both far too jaded to be swayed eh mate?
(p.s dont ever think that, the second you think it your under their spell). :lol:


You no it mate! I mostly read Guitar just to catch new product info whats coming about you know, I could care less what any have to say about any Band or who they think is good or not. Don't need someone to tell me what I like and what I don't. Popularity contest and like said who's throwing finacial support and where. But as you no a large number of people are like cattle they go where they are lead and they believe the popularity bull as fact in many aspects of life.

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Maybe but i would question the view of any medium that rely's on advertizing as its main source of income. You can bet all them glossy pages and tuition pages cost near £5 per copy to print at that standard.

Sorry mate i dont believe rolling stone, Q mag, or any guitar mag at all. I really dont need anyone to tell me what I enjoy listening to (old berry stuff tonight). They all only tell us what some seller wants us to believe. I cant view either RS or GP's poll as a valid representation on who's best cos i dont believe their results are based purely on public opinion. Look at all the money spent on advertizing. Every TV show you ever saw that didnt come from the bbc is paid for by advertizing. Now i love the bbc but they (money wise) are a very small fish in a worldwide ocean. Not that their bad, just not run the same way as every other tv network. Advertising runs our world mate not presidents or prime ministers.

Sad but true.

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There was a columnist, meanwhile, for the Buffalo News a year or two who received ot a ton of hate mail after she called the Beatles overrated. Go figure!


I personally have always felt that the Beatles are overrated. Yeah, yeah I know - pretty good songwriters (although Lennon kept Harrison's music repressed), and they did forever change the way that music is recorded.

But performance wise - mediocre garage band.


While it's true that, performance wise, they may not have been on the same level as some other members of rock royalty (the Who, Hendrix, Zeppelin, etc.), but I think "mediocre garage band" is a little harsh.

McCartney, in particular, is a fantastic performer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYySRu5RkxM

Overall, I think the Beatles get just about as much credit as they deserve.

First -- the band had three world-class songwriters (most bands are lucky enough to have one decent one), and are responsible for at least about a half-dozen or so of the best/most popular songs of the last 50 years. Compare an AVERAGE Beatles song to virtually any of today's top hits, and band's songwriting skills immediately become apparent.

Second -- the Beatles were totally groundbreaking in terms of the recording quality of their albums (especially 'Sgt. Pepper's' and beyond...). The band's creativity and attention to detail was unprecedented, and they forever changed the way albums were made.

Third, the Beatles are unparalleled in terms of influence. They are truly the band that launched a million others.


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nikininja wrote:
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nikininja wrote:
I'd offer the opinion that guitar magazines represent the view of the guitar industry. Take a look at next years poll i bet its full of this years endorsee's.
Rolling stone on the other hand represents what has sold the previous year.

Public opinion matters nothing on such things. Were just sheep that have to be bled, our opinions dont matter. Thats why your kids could see sex sells based adverts on TV at 7.30 just to sell chocolate years ago. As a mature/adult man go read a teenage magazine and see whats being injected into kid's eyes. The cover says 12 the content says 16 atleast.

Sorry I've got strong views on sales. Its my patriarchal nature.


The only Music Mag. I read Niki is the U.K. published GUITAR & bass I never miss that one. The others I don't even look through there just 70% adds. I do read Financials and a few others.


Oh man their all as bad. Great reviews for the people that buy advertizing space and nearly good reviews for the advertizers they hope to attract.
The conistantly best magazine i've ever read is guitar world. Half near tabs, good advice (not including diy repair though, more playing) and the best interviews.

hehe guess were both far too jaded to be swayed eh mate?
(p.s dont ever think that, the second you think it your under their spell). :lol:


You no it mate! I mostly read Guitar just to catch new product info whats coming about you know, I could care less what any have to say about any Band or who they think is good or not. Don't need someone to tell me what I like and what I don't. Popularity contest and like said who's throwing finacial support and where. But as you no a large number of people are like cattle they go where they are lead and they believe the popularity bull as fact in many aspects of life.


CV let me tell you an example of the beauty of free enterprise too.

A lot of outdoor markets around the UK have a seller that just sells 1 month old guitar mags for £1. I read those, the writer/publisher doesnt profit. The guy selling em who rescued em from mulching did. And i get to read em (ok 4 weeks later than everyone else) without giving the leech's my money.

Win/win situation as far as I'm concerned.

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I was not a huge fan of the Doors back when they put out their records. Not my cup of tea. But, I do appreciate them now. I was the same way with Led Zeppelin at the time as well. Loved the Yardbirds, tho'...

But, over rated? I don't think you can say that. It seems they rate with a lot of people.

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TROUBLECALL ARE YOU SERIOUS OR JUST TRYING TO STIR UP THE ROOM.The beatles a garage band.First of Mcartney,Lennon,and Harrison are 3 of the greatest musicians to have ever walked the earth.The first recorded feedback on a recording-Ifeel fine,The introduction to rock of the sitar,first backwoods guitar RAIN,THE FIRST TO USE ELECTRIC KEYBOARDS AND SYNHISEZERS INCLUDING THE MELLOTRON ON STRAWBERRYFIELDS,FIRST TO USE A FULL ORCHESTRA-GOT TO GET YOU INTO MY LIFE,FIRST TO PLAY A STADIUM,FIRST TO HAVE EVERY MEMBER SING LEAD.FIRST BACKWARDS SYMBOLS-BABY YOUR A RICH MAN,The list goes on .LENNON/McCARTNEY FAIR SONGWRITERS-STAY AWAY FROM SHARP OBJECTS-LENNON/McCARTNEY THE GREATEST WRITING TEAM IN ROCK MUSIC EVER.HOW MANY OBSCURE BEATLE SONGS ARE THER REALY.PLUS TROW IN HARRISON.THE CHORDING IN BEATLES SONGS AND USE OF 7TH CHORDS IS A ROCK ENCYCLOPEDIA.AS FOR PLAYING LIVE THE BEATLES PACKED IT IN RIGHT BEFORE SUFFICIANT PA AND AMPLIFICATION CAME IN BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT HERE THEMSELVES-CALLING THE BEATLES A GARAGE BAND WAS THE MOST OBSURD THING I HAVE EVER READ IN MY LIFETIME. PERIOD


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