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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:16 pm
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Please don’t take this the wrong way. Everybody or at least almost everybody ( opinions very) in the HOF have earned the right to be there..On the other side of the coin there are hundreds of bands eligible for induction that are not there/ continually have been passed over/ or never even been considered……It seems to me the HOF really has no grasp of rock music all. I fully understand it takes time and you can only induct so many at a time/ it seems to be run real shaddy to me…Personally I don’t care if I ever spend a dime for and admission ticket into the place…………I was just wondering if anybody felt the same, or had any other opinions ………….thanx Bill

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To me the HOF is the most artificial thing one can imagine...it is completely meaningless.

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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:43 pm
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The HoF, being run by the music industry, usually inducts the artists that will sell the most tickets to get into the giant glass shaped triangle for the nominal fee. Since the artists that will sell the most tickets are also the artists that sold the most music and made the most money, those will be the ones chosen. So basically bands like the Stooges get shafted 8 yrs running cuz they didn't sell as much as others. Which is a load of total unadulterated BS, and whence why I don't care about the HoF save for a place to look at famous people's s***.

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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:19 pm
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As Capo says, the HOF is operated by the music industry and there does seem to be a fair amount of bias in selection. But that's true, if not quite as much, of any HOF. There's always debate about some selections even when there are seemingly objective criteria (passing yards, home runs, rebounds, etc.)

I remember two friends debating a baseball selection and one insisted that the only reason "his guy" wasn't in was because he played for a cheap owner most of his career. End result, he was a superstar on lousy teams that never made the playoffs. So even here, he suggested, there was some degree of "name recognition" over provable skill.

I'm with a vendor in the movie biz where there are many debates over past selections of best picture, actor, actress, etc.

In the end, it's all subjective so I view the HOF as just an enjoyable place to look at one view of music history.


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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:40 pm
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I know there has been a lot of talk on here about the HOF - I went a month or so ago, and had fun - it was cool seeing all the stuff there - Now, as far as some of the people inducted, I think its BS yes, but thats jmo - it was still cool seeing Jimi's stuff, and the original lyric sheet for PURPLE HAZE

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If you want any good memories, it's worth a visit :


http://www.rockhall.com/visit/hours-admission

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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:24 pm
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Metallica doesn't deserve it.

Rush
Thin Lizzy
Alice Cooper

DO DESERVE IT!!

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:00 am
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nrt4 wrote:
Metallica doesn't deserve it.

Rush
Thin Lizzy
Alice Cooper

DO DESERVE IT!!


I hate to disagree with a fellow WV'ian, but I am going to have to! I do agree that the acts you listed are well deserved for the HOF, but Metallica absolutely deserves their induction!

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Yea, but after those bands get inducted.

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Iggy & The Stooges and the MC5 should also be in the HOF, but are not. I don't know, at times the HOF can be a joke, but its better than no HOF at all I guess... :roll:

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:04 am
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These are just my own personal opinions and as always, should only be taken as such.

First and foremost I have to say that the selection of people inducted into the Rock Hall is -always- going to be subjective at best. There are always going to be people who get upset because their favorite artist didn't get chosen and there are always folks who are going to get upset because "so and so" made it in...this is a plain and simple truth. As the saying goes, "you can't please all of the people, all of the time". Most folks have a very hard time separating their passions from their objectivity. To me, the Rock Hall has over-all done a fairly good job in it's selection. Yes, they are certainly a commercial endeavor and yes, the record company influence is certainly a huge factor in selection but...if you look at the full list of inductees, most of them have certainly made some kind of significant contribution to "contemporary music" in one form or another. For example, cvilleira seems to question names such as Etta James and Willie Dixon, but these are two people who most DEFINATELY deserve to be in the RHOF. Look at Willie Dixon...how many of his tunes have been covered by groups like The Rolling Stones, Canned Heat, Dion, Koko Taylor, George Thorogood, Styx, PJ Harvey, Elvis Costello and countless others! Willie Dixon had a -HUGE- impact on rock music.

Then there's groups such as "The Stooges" (who I've never even heard of), Mott the Hoople, etc., who while perhaps great bands...have they really made that significant a contribution to music? Yea...sure...Rush is a great band and many of their fans are certainly loyal die hards but in the big picture they're really not all that significant. At the risk of offending a few Rush fans here, they're just another power trio....so?

The point here is that who should get in and who shouldn't is again always going to be a bit subjective. Does everyone who get's in really deserve it? No...probably not. Most of the folks who have gotten in though do deserve it and as such, this makes the RHOF a very worthwhile thing. Yes, it is a commercial endeavor and as such they are certainly about attendance and "making money" just as the record industry as a whole is but they do serve a good purpose and they do rightfully entertain and educate a great many people who would otherwise not have any exposure to a lot of this stuff.

For the folks who saw someone get in who they didn't feel deserved it, just remember that not everyone thinks the same as you. I personally don't care for Metallica...I think they're a bad joke at best as far as "music" goes, but even there I have to acknowledge that they have had some contribution...they've made that type of music "commercial" and available to the masses where once it was something you'd only hear late at night on college radio stations...they brought it to the forefront of music. And for those who have been waiting for the favorite artist to get in and see others get in first...be patient. If said artist really has made a significant contribution, sooner or later they will be recognised.

Anyways, again this is just my $.02 worth.

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:06 am
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These are just my own personal opinions and as always, should only be taken as such.

First and foremost I have to say that the selection of people inducted into the Rock Hall is -always- going to be subjective at best. There are always going to be people who get upset because their favorite artist didn't get chosen and there are always folks who are going to get upset because "so and so" made it in...this is a plain and simple truth. As the saying goes, "you can't please all of the people, all of the time". Most folks have a very hard time separating their passions from their objectivity. To me, the Rock Hall has over-all done a fairly good job in it's selection. Yes, they are certainly a commercial endeavor and yes, the record company influence is certainly a huge factor in selection but...if you look at the full list of inductees, most of them have certainly made some kind of significant contribution to "contemporary music" in one form or another. For example, cvilleira seems to question names such as Etta James and Willie Dixon, but these are two people who most DEFINATELY deserve to be in the RHOF. Look at Willie Dixon...how many of his tunes have been covered by groups like The Rolling Stones, Canned Heat, Dion, Koko Taylor, George Thorogood, Styx, PJ Harvey, Elvis Costello and countless others! Willie Dixon had a -HUGE- impact on rock music.

Then there's groups such as "The Stooges" (who I've never even heard of), Mott the Hoople, etc., who while perhaps great bands...have they really made that significant a contribution to music? Yea...sure...Rush is a great band and many of their fans are certainly loyal die hards but in the big picture they're really not all that significant. At the risk of offending a few Rush fans here, they're just another power trio....so?

The point here is that who should get in and who shouldn't is again always going to be a bit subjective. Does everyone who get's in really deserve it? No...probably not. Most of the folks who have gotten in though do deserve it and as such, this makes the RHOF a very worthwhile thing. Yes, it is a commercial endeavor and as such they are certainly about attendance and "making money" just as the record industry as a whole is but they do serve a good purpose and they do rightfully entertain and educate a great many people who would otherwise not have any exposure to a lot of this stuff.

For the folks who saw someone get in who they didn't feel deserved it, just remember that not everyone thinks the same as you. I personally don't care for Metallica...I think they're a bad joke at best as far as "music" goes, but even there I have to acknowledge that they have had some contribution...they've made that type of music "commercial" and available to the masses where once it was something you'd only hear late at night on college radio stations...they brought it to the forefront of music. And for those who have been waiting for the favorite artist to get in and see others get in first...be patient. If said artist really has made a significant contribution, sooner or later they will be recognised.

Anyways, again this is just my $.02 worth.

Jim


If it weren't for Iggy Pop & The Stooges, there would never have been punk rock bands like The Clash and the Sex Pistols...so while you may not see that as significant contribution to music, many of us here do see it as a significant contribution to music. A lot of it has to do with what you are into, and obviously if you do not like Metallica and do not know who Iggy & The Stooges are, then we'll never agree on who deserves to be in there. The thing with Rock N Roll is that has become such a broad term that its hard at times to agree on what is covered by the term and what is not. Its not like the Baseball Hall Of Fame where pretty much everyone has the same definition or idea of what baseball is...

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Or just do like the sex pistols did.


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sure there were some people who deserved it to be there. but if you consider that even madona got in then....


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