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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:33 pm
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I'm glad there are no heroes, or that no one can agree on who the hero is of this age, because I remember when I started to play guitar in the mid-80s, and of course the GUITAR HERO back then was Eddie Van Halen...so every freaking magazine would always have columns on how to play like Eddie, tap like Eddie, get tone like Eddie, etc, etc, etc....which of course ended up in a lot of Eddie Van Halen clones...in fact, to me, in the mid-80s the magazines made it seem like every player had to be Eddie Van Halen-influenced, Eric Clapton, or Randy Rhoads/Yngwie/NeoClassical influenced...

So I am glad there is not just one predominant hero that everyone can agree on, because then there would be a boatload of hero-clones stinking up the joint....So choose your own hero, and just cause others may not see them as a hero, who cares? Heroes do not have to be someone that everyone knows or agrees on, you can have your own personal heroes...so choose whoever you want to be your hero, who cares what anyone else thinks...its music, which to me means freedom and individuality, not a popularity contest or fashion show where everyone has to agree on everything that is cool or fashionable. Play what you want, how you want. Like who you want to like, be influenced by whoever you choose...

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Post subject: Re: Where are all the Great amazing guitarist of this age
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:46 pm
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Duude :!: .....They are in the pages of this forum :!: :wink:

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I rarely listen to the radio anymore. As you all know, FM progressive music is a thing of the past and unless you have satellite radio you are bound to the current drivel. You got your classic stations but there are just so many times I can listen to Jumpin' Jack Flash.................

For me its nothing but CDs in the car and CDs and DVDs at home.........I have however, come to like watching DVD concerts. Its only a one time charge and the cost is typically under $20 (more affordable than $80 nosebleed tickets). As a matter of fact, I am watching / listening to Susan Tedeschi at this very moment....quite nice.


Sad to say (in my opinion) progressive music on the radio is a thing of the past..............unless of course somebody "Sends Lawyers, Guns, and Money".

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I haven't read one name who's material i find interesting...I never saw the need to become aquainted...


Man, do I agree!

Even many of the names mentioned herein owe their successes to mimicking Hendrix, Albert King, old Clapton, etc, to the varying degrees they are/were capable of.

Back in the day (60s/70s), there were a handful of ORIGINAL guitarists who would just make your jaw drop. They truly amazed and inspired you. They certainly didn't play the same 5 runs over and over and over again nor did they rely on a a bus load of digital effects, custom tailored equipment and state of the art sound systems. You know why? There were none! These guys just went out there with whatever, plugged in and let it all rip. Seeing them LIVE was NEVER a disappointment. Yea, I know, "So and So" occasionally used a fuzz and a wah-wah. This is irrelevant in terms of their, "big picture".

At the risk of repeating myself, all I hear nowadays is at best, attempted imitations of and from the above era. Granted, most today rally around these players because they are getting a mere 'taste' of the real thing and they like it. For those of us who experienced the real thing, 99% of today's players just won't do.

There's an old expression, "If you remember the 60s, you weren't there." Yea, lots of stuff is a bit foggy but anyone who genuinely lived through the 60s (and early 70s for that matter) will NOT forget the superior guitarists and their music.

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What about Henry Garza from Los Lonely Boys? I have a DVD of them in concert from 2004 and he just rips on his Stratocaster. He is IMO, a very under rated guitarist.


I agree, he's really good.


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Back in the day (60s/70s), there were a handful of ORIGINAL guitarists who would just make your jaw drop. They truly amazed and inspired you.


Like who? (I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know.)

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texasguitarslinger wrote:
jeffo46 wrote:
What about Henry Garza from Los Lonely Boys? I have a DVD of them in concert from 2004 and he just rips on his Stratocaster. He is IMO, a very under rated guitarist.


I agree, he's really good.


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Back in the day (60s/70s), there were a handful of ORIGINAL guitarists who would just make your jaw drop. They truly amazed and inspired you.


Like who? (I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know.)


To name just a few and in no particular order:

Jeff Beck
Duane Allman
Peter Green
Johnny Winter
Albert Collins
Albert King
Luther Allison
Jimi Hendrix
Buddy Guy
Eric Clapton
Ritchie Blackmore

And a whole bunch of others that never made it big who simply faded into oblivion.

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nikininja wrote:
I haven't read one name who's material i find interesting...I never saw the need to become aquainted...


Man, do I agree!

Even many of the names mentioned herein owe their successes to mimicking Hendrix, Albert King, old Clapton, etc, to the varying degrees they are/were capable of.

Back in the day (60s/70s), there were a handful of ORIGINAL guitarists who would just make your jaw drop. They truly amazed and inspired you. They certainly didn't play the same 5 runs over and over and over again nor did they rely on a a bus load of digital effects, custom tailored equipment and state of the art sound systems. You know why? There were none! These guys just went out there with whatever, plugged in and let it all rip. Seeing them LIVE was NEVER a disappointment. Yea, I know, "So and So" occasionally used a fuzz and a wah-wah. This is irrelevant in terms of their, "big picture".

At the risk of repeating myself, all I hear nowadays is at best, attempted imitations of and from the above era. Granted, most today rally around these players because they are getting a mere 'taste' of the real thing and they like it. For those of us who experienced the real thing, 99% of today's players just won't do.

There's an old expression, "If you remember the 60s, you weren't there." Yea, lots of stuff is a bit foggy but anyone who genuinely lived through the 60s (and early 70s for that matter) will NOT forget the superior guitarists and their music.

OK, slam me!!!


Amen to that Martian! Well said and sad but true!!! :wink: It's one of those-You had to be there!! 8)


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My main concern with modern music is songwriting. Any joker can string a few notes together with a bit of practice, particularly with the high levels of free instruction these days. How many can pen a good song. Look at all those greats and non of their stuff is particularly complex, certainly nothing like the jazz kings mr slapchop cited. Steve vai or whoever could undoubtedly play along with em. Larry carlton or john schofield certainly could. I think the majority of the problem with modern players is that their so caught up in ability that songwriting has gone out the window and its been like it for some time 77 atleast. Lets face it if he could write a song yngwie would far surpass clapton or hendrix. Modern playing is far more technical than the great tunes of the 50's-70's. As is only natural with the development of modern instruments. The problem is the vehicle (songs)used to deliver it is a 3 wheel van that keeps backfiring and only fires on 3 cylinders.

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nikininja wrote:
My main concern with modern music is songwriting. Any joker can string a few notes together with a bit of practice, particularly with the high levels of free instruction these days. How many can pen a good song. Look at all those greats and non of their stuff is particularly complex, certainly nothing like the jazz kings mr slapchop cited. Steve vai or whoever could undoubtedly play along with em. Larry carlton or john schofield certainly could. I think the majority of the problem with modern players is that their so caught up in ability that songwriting has gone out the window and its been like it for some time 77 atleast. Lets face it if he could write a song yngwie would far surpass clapton or hendrix. Modern playing is far more technical than the great tunes of the 50's-70's. As is only natural with the development of modern instruments. The problem is the vehicle (songs)used to deliver it is a 3 wheel van that keeps backfiring and only fires on 3 cylinders.


:lol: So true Niki!!


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nikininja wrote:
My main concern with modern music is songwriting. Any joker can string a few notes together with a bit of practice, particularly with the high levels of free instruction these days. How many can pen a good song...


Hear, hear.

I love a great guitar solo, but without a great song it is meaningless and ultimately boring to me. Listening to guys like Derek Trucks blow pentatonics for five minutes over a two-chord minor jam is like fingernails on a blackboard to me, no matter how much "tone" or "soul" or whatever supposedly makes this re-hash interesting he's got.

Here's a real good example of how a good song is the rightful frame for a sharp solo: my favorite SRV solo is the one in the middle of the Jennifer Warnes version of Leonard Cohen's "First We Take Manhattan." He plays a slew of neat, compact fills, and then gets one chorus to blow, and the resulting solo is a model of taste and restrained power. It makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck, and his spooky noodling in the ride-out is perfection.

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i agree about the derek trucks comment. same thing can be applied to guys like david gilmour. its all commercialism at work, and the musicians are just making a paycheck (as well as doing what they love). but the industry knows how everyone gets all ga-ga about guys like them and puts em front and center with these huge overdrawn soloing acts. they'd probably try the same with other household names like hendrix and SRV had they not died. it does work though, but then there are smart people like us who see right through it.

not to go off-topic, but i gotta say, i got real pissed when i saw the preview for hannah montana's movie. music industry is probably the biggest user (::cough:: abuser) of Nepotism. there are many many musicians in america alone who are way more worthy of having Miley's career and contract. that girl cannot sing and she's got that annoying speech impediment. but thanks to billy ray she's known worldwide. also thanks to to the total mind-f**ks known as Disney


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Trace it back, you'll find that Disney has been destroying the music industry for decades. How many current "stars" were mouseketeers? :?

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Hey FenderHeads-

I agree with the posr regarding Henry Garza of "Los Lonely Boys"- He is awsome and IMHO has more soul in his playing then KWS and John Mayer....He does it all on modified MiM Strats. Very Under Rated Guitar Player. See him live and you will know what I mean !

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The funny thing is, is that there are some talented players out there now, but mostly found in metal... and all they do is play fast and regurgitate 80's style riffs back at you. Atreyu and Avenged Sevenfold have some killer guitar players, but there's nothing about their riffs that will stay with you like, say Hendrix's Little Wing, or Clapton's Layla riffs. That's a lot for me to admit, considering I'm a huge Atreyu fan. :shock:

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The Freeze wrote:
Hey FenderHeads-

I agree with the posr regarding Henry Garza of "Los Lonely Boys"- He is awsome and IMHO has more soul in his playing then KWS and John Mayer....He does it all on modified MiM Strats. Very Under Rated Guitar Player. See him live and you will know what I mean !

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of course Henry Garza plays MIM guitars, damn racist....... :roll:

haha no i love all the Garza's. he's too good for MIA (at least the quality control anyway)


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