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were talking about guitars people not cars that were fake and replicate 8)


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iandestreza wrote:
were talking about guitars people not cars that were fake and replicate 8)


Ah so you did completely miss the point that blinkering yourself through misplaced national pride is doing you no favours.

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ok that's what you say, for me American made Strat are the best. Born In the USA. Rock n Roll 8)


I'm sorry but "opinion" based on nationalistic pride really has nothing to do with the quality of any said instrument...period. Unfortunately it's this type of mentality that leads people to make poor decisions, particularly in regards to something like the purchase of a guitar. A person such as yourself is going to tell everyone that "American made Strat(s) are the best" and unfortunately less experienced people will take stock in that regardless of any facts to support the statement...and the facts are that it's simply not true. You can "believe" it all you want, but I'm sorry my friend, your belief doesn't make it a fact.

The facts are that many excellent instruments, guitar, Strats or otherwise HAVE been made outside of the US and the facts are that the term "the best" is highly subjective anyways...there is no single "best" instrument, Strat or otherwise else we'd all be playing the exact same make & model of guitar.

Incidentally, as far as "Born in the USA" and "rock n roll", maybe you missed the 60's but a great deal of music today and a MANY of the greats that so many of us idolize, also came from outside of the US. Clapton, Pink Floyd/David Gilmore, The Beatles, Zeppelin, AC/DC etc., and even contemporary bands such U2...I'm sorry...which of those guys were American? Rock & roll may have started here in the states with the likes of Chuck Berry and Bill Haley & The Comets, but it's a global phenomenon and a very good portion if it has been because of people who were NOT Americans.

If you wish to live your life in a blind little vacuum thinking that America is "the best" in regards to any specific issue, that is of course your choice but do so with the knowledge that in regards to music and guitars at least, that it's simply not true.


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I'd have to argue that america has produced the finest of fine guitar players hands down. No other country can touch you for consistent quality of blistering players. Who can touch the likes of billy gibons, bb king and johnny winter. Never mind people like scholnik and satch.
Much as i hate to say it every british guitarist i've heard has been a shadow against the likes of them fellows.

a bigger population base has much to do with it maybe the rest of it is just the mix of american culture being noticed more in american music by an outsider.

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iandestreza wrote:
ok that's what you say, for me American made Strat are the best. Born In the USA. Rock n Roll 8)


I'm sorry but "opinion" based on nationalistic pride really has nothing to do with the quality of any said instrument...period. Unfortunately it's this type of mentality that leads people to make poor decisions, particularly in regards to something like the purchase of a guitar. A person such as yourself is going to tell everyone that "American made Strat(s) are the best" and unfortunately less experienced people will take stock in that regardless of any facts to support the statement...and the facts are that it's simply not true. You can "believe" it all you want, but I'm sorry my friend, your belief doesn't make it a fact.

The facts are that many excellent instruments, guitar, Strats or otherwise HAVE been made outside of the US and the facts are that the term "the best" is highly subjective anyways...there is no single "best" instrument, Strat or otherwise else we'd all be playing the exact same make & model of guitar.

Incidentally, as far as "Born in the USA" and "rock n roll", maybe you missed the 60's but a great deal of music today and a MANY of the greats that so many of us idolize, also came from outside of the US. Clapton, Pink Floyd/David Gilmore, The Beatles, Zeppelin, AC/DC etc., and even contemporary bands such U2...I'm sorry...which of those guys were American? Rock & roll may have started here in the states with the likes of Chuck Berry and Bill Haley & The Comets, but it's a global phenomenon and a very good portion if it has been because of people who were NOT Americans.

If you wish to live your life in a blind little vacuum thinking that America is "the best" in regards to any specific issue, that is of course your choice but do so with the knowledge that in regards to music and guitars at least, that it's simply not true.


+1 I'm with you all the way on this one. 8)


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nikininja wrote:
I'd have to argue that america has produced the finest of fine guitar players hands down. No other country can touch you for consistent quality of blistering players. Who can touch the likes of billy gibons, bb king and johnny winter. Never mind people like scholnik and satch.
Much as i hate to say it every british guitarist i've heard has been a shadow against the likes of them fellows.

a bigger population base has much to do with it maybe the rest of it is just the mix of american culture being noticed more in american music by an outsider.


I didn't mean to imply that there aren't any great American guitar players...quite obviously there are. My point is that most of what has shaped rock and roll over the last 50 years hasn't been -strictly- Americans. There have been a great many people from outside the US who have had a tremendous impact on rock and roll as we know it and without whom, rock wouldn't be the same music we know and love today. In other words, for those who would sit there and wave the American flag above and beyond anything else, as I've already said, there's a great deal more to it than that.

BTW...I'm a huge BB King fan myself and I grew up listening to the guy, but his leads aren't that impressive.....

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lomitus wrote:
BTW...I'm a huge BB King fan myself and I grew up listening to the guy, but his leads aren't that impressive.....

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Now now sir I'd say that production of great guitar players is the one area where america owns the rest of the world completely. Ofcourse the whole course of modern music cant be attributed to American artists. But it can be sourced back to them.

BB not ..... that ....... good?

Hmm I'd argue that one too, particularly within his genre. That superb vibrato that even santana and clapton cant touch. Those voice like guitar phrasings to match his vocals creating that call and response effect (that he and freddy king largely pioneered). Influencing just about every prominent guitarist from 66 onwards.

Ho hum different folks and different strokes i guess. What one fella sees another misses. Still its all good and atleast you dont dismiss him. If we all agree'd on everything discourse would be irrelevant.

Atleast we got this thread turned from the direction it was intended. :wink:

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All i no is its stupid people should just stop wasting there time like this website
http://rondomusic.com/
its all knock offs


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In agreement with the previous few posts, I just can't imagine anything dumber than worrying about the nationality of musicians. Just couldn't give a monkey's about someone's country, language, race, religion, gender or background. If they rock, that's the absolute only thing that counts.

By extension, the same goes for gear. Anyone who makes good stuff gets my vote - and money.

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Ceri wrote:
In agreement with the previous few posts, I just can't imagine anything dumber than worrying about the nationality of musicians. Just couldn't give a monkey's about someone's country, language, race, religion, gender or background. If they rock, that's the absolute only thing that counts.

By extension, the same goes for gear. Anyone who makes good stuff gets my vote - and money.

Cheers - C


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How about a guitar made of fake wood but they are not cheap. Looks like 3 G's each.
http://www.flaxwood.com/home/

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How about a guitar made of fake wood but they are not cheap. Looks like 3 G's each.
http://www.flaxwood.com/home/


How interesting!

Am I understanding it right? They're essentially injection moulded resin-fibre guitars - except that the fibre used is wood, not glass or carbon fibre?

What do you think about the actual designs of the models? Seems to me they've done pretty conservative shapes, I guess so as not to alienate players with their new material? If it takes off I wonder if we'll see more radical shapes in time?

Fascinating post - thank you!

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re: flaxwood -

I saved this email from a friend and fellow guitar player from Finland :

"My name is Jussi Reijonen, and I run flaxwood.com, as well as being the online customer service person for the company.

As always, there seems to be a bit of apprehension when something new is in question, so I figured I'd pitch in, just to set the record straight on some issues.

First, the guitars are made in Heinävaara, Finland, not Germany.

The guitars are NOT made of particle board. You can think of the production process as taking regular, natural wood (we use spruce), breaking it down to tiny particles, thereby getting rid of the grain lines in the wood which usually direct the flow of sound waves in the wood, then mixing this powder with an acoustically very sensitive liquid binding agent to create a mass of 'liquid wood composite', if you will. This mass is then injected into a mold, which produces the complete bodies, necks and resonator back plates of the guitars.

What this results in is a wood-based tone material, which, because it is grain-free, resonates with equal force in every single direction three-dimensionally instead of just along the grain lines as with regular wood. The tone has the warmth and other characteristics of regular wood, but with added resonance, definition and longer sustain.

As far as what other companies have done before, Flaxwood has a patent on this technology and it is entirely unique to Flaxwood Guitars alone.

It's of course up to each individual to find an instrument that fits with their own personal preference, so I do encourage you to try a Flaxwood for yourself to make your own judgment. So far, I have yet to come across someone who has not been impressed."


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Thanks Mike. That's actually somewhat clearer than their website, isn't it?

The nearest dealer to me that they list is not immediately easy to get to, so it may be a while before I get my hands on one - but I'm curious, at any rate.

I wonder if anyone has seen a magazine review, to get a dispassionate view on how the material sounds?

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Good info.

Danelectro's aren't really wood, and they make some nice guitars. IMO at least. :wink:

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