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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:43 am
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so in short word, your telling me that its ok to buy fake or replica brand name guitars? 8)


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There was a seller on e-bay, based in China. They were selling fakes, not just re productions. They had the fender logo, and were selling them as " fender guitars" as well as gibsons and rickys. They have since been banned from e-bay, but are still very much in business. I had asked them a few questions about their guitars by e-mail, they still mail me with offers. I'd never buy an axe from them, but I know people must be, as they are still trading. I thought something would have been done by now, by either fender or gibson, or rickenbacker for that matter.


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finally a person that understand my question and concern. :wink:


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iandestreza wrote:
so in short word, your telling me that its ok to buy fake or replica brand name guitars? 8)


It's not against the law to buy fakes, that's what keeps the companies/people that make them in business.

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By the time they get booted they've already sold a few guitars and moved on to a new site. The law in the US is way to slow to catch on to those guys. But here in the community we're at least getting educated about it.


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Its a well repeated fact of production that when theres no competition advancement of design is redundant.
Think if chinese manufacturers start making guitars that rival squire but 2/3rds the price, then squire have no option but to improve. Anyone remember when the yamaha pacifica's first came out in 92/93. Squire couldnt touch them and despite the hype over the early japanese squires they weren't all good. Some were pigs, certainly after the first 3 years quality dropped. Squire had to improve when cheap quality guitars became available. If i can buy a better strat for 2/3rds the cost regardless of name on the headstock i'll gladly sell my customshop strat and buy it. I'd be stupid not to. I cant because fender have had to constantly improve because of competition from other builders knocking out companies like schecter and hamer. If that competition was removed we'd surely see a return to substandard guitars.

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Its a well repeated fact of production that when theres no competition advancement of design is redundant.
Think if chinese manufacturers start making guitars that rival squire but 2/3rds the price, then squire have no option but to improve. Anyone remember when the yamaha pacifica's first came out in 92/93. Squire couldnt touch them and despite the hype over the early japanese squires they weren't all good. Some were pigs, certainly after the first 3 years quality dropped. Squire had to improve when cheap quality guitars became available. If i can buy a better strat for 2/3rds the cost regardless of name on the headstock i'll gladly sell my customshop strat and buy it. I'd be stupid not to. I cant because fender have had to constantly improve because of competition from other builders knocking out companies like schecter and hamer. If that competition was removed we'd surely see a return to substandard guitars.


Well put sir.

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Its a well repeated fact of production that when theres no competition advancement of design is redundant.
Think if chinese manufacturers start making guitars that rival squire but 2/3rds the price, then squire have no option but to improve. Anyone remember when the yamaha pacifica's first came out in 92/93. Squire couldnt touch them and despite the hype over the early japanese squires they weren't all good. Some were pigs, certainly after the first 3 years quality dropped. Squire had to improve when cheap quality guitars became available. If i can buy a better strat for 2/3rds the cost regardless of name on the headstock i'll gladly sell my customshop strat and buy it. I'd be stupid not to. I cant because fender have had to constantly improve because of competition from other builders knocking out companies like schecter and hamer. If that competition was removed we'd surely see a return to substandard guitars.


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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:26 pm
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iandestreza wrote:
Why is our government letting other countries sell us fake/replica brand name guitars? Somebody should take care of this issue its been goin on for many years now. Solutions people.... 8)



If you come to this Forum, do so with an open, inquiring mind, patient, and prepared to contribute. Leave your issues elsewhere.

You are relatively new here and have yet to come to understand the depth and breadth of the world wide knowledge base you are tapping into. This is not a 'kiddie corner." It is a serious, information sharing venue with serious contributors, many of whom played their first Fender guitars half a century ago. There are experienced luthiers, electronics experts, experienced professional musicians, semi-professional, and hobbyists of all stripes.

You can't help but enjoy a positive growth experience herein. Everyone, no matter how well versed, comes away with something new, and grows.

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iandestreza wrote:
Why is our government letting other countries sell us fake/replica brand name guitars? Somebody should take care of this issue its been goin on for many years now. Solutions people.... 8)


I don't know about anyone else but I would rather have our government concentrate on more important matters right now than fake guitars.

There are ways of spotting fakes. Get educated before you make a purchase. If there is a question about authenticity then don't buy, it's that simple.

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The Chinese fake Fenders are miserable things.
I wish they could be stopped.

Let's just hope they don't figure out how to make them even closer looking to the real things. THAT would be seriously bad.

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orvilleowner wrote:
The Chinese fake Fenders are miserable things.
I wish they could be stopped.

Let's just hope they don't figure out how to make them even closer looking to the real things. THAT would be seriously bad.


Best to be well informed and do business with reputable vendors. Counterfeiting will be around long after we hang up our guitars.

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Best to be well informed and do business with reputable vendors. Counterfeiting will be around long after we hang up our guitars.


Some of the fakes are so bad it's laughable.
I hope that remains the case.

That's all I'm sayin'.

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Its called a 'free market'. Aslong as exact replica's arent being produced its quite legal and lets face it competition is always a good thing. It can only lead to better product. Personaly fender should be more worried about the likes of anderson, pensa and suhr to name a few.

The lawsuit never happened it was a threat made by CBS to the japanese fujigen factory that i strongly suspect was a persuader to ease the startup of fender japan. Ever wondered why 70's/80's tokais are so good?
Heres the answer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FujiGen

In part those fakes of the 70's/80's put Cbs guitars in a less desirable state. Theres the well told story of fullerton workers not being able to match standards and dan smith retraining them after returning with a japanese instrument.

All told anyone who enjoys a modern fender owes a fair bit to those far eastern fella's.

bros , very interesting , nn , bro , thanks for that wiki i'm amazed again .

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EBAY and CraigList short for Fake Central. Where are these fakes being sold from most of the time? Not from the corner Music Shop, the reputable on line dealer. Sadly people looking to get things at a deal on these sites tend to get taken.

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