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Post subject: Did Fender started electric guitar or Gibson?
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:13 pm
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so which one is it Fender or Gibson :roll:


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I have always heard that LES PAUL invented it, not neccessarily when he worked for GIBSON.

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Hmm--the first guitars with pickups were acoustics--lap guitars and archtops mostly--but players stuck phongraph needeles into flat tops as well--Les Paul did that--and used phone parts on acoustic guitars.

Neither Fender nor Gibson was first then, but Gibson was a leader in electric archtops. Fender followed Rickenbacker in electric lapsteels, and had the first successful & mass produced solid body "Spanish" (meaning played by holding it as most of us do now--as distinct from "Hawaiian" or lap steel guitars)

So it's a little bit of both and others as well.

No simple easy answer.

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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:20 pm
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The first mass-produced electric Spanish-style guitar was the Gibson ES-150. Prior to that, it was Hawaiian or lap-steel guitars.

The first commercially successful solidbody guitar was the Fender Esquire, though it is argued more recently that Paul Bigsby of vibrato fame built the first solidbody for Merle Travis. Fender's design was the first mass-produced, successful model.

The pickup, though, if you want to get into it, was invented by Lloyd Loar for cello and bass when he was working at Gibson. He's known more for his mandolins.


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Rickenbacker 1931 had an electric hollowbody latter in the 30's tried solid bodies and in 1939 Les Paul ( The Log )

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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:56 am
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pohatu771 wrote:

The first commercially successful solidbody guitar was the Fender Esquire, though it is argued more recently that Paul Bigsby of vibrato fame built the first solidbody for Merle Travis. Fender's design was the first mass-produced, successful model.


It isn't just argued that Bigsby was first: that guitar was a fact, and Leo had it in his shop while developing the Broadcaster.

Leo didn't invent anything from blue sky (although I guess you can make a claim for the solid body electric fretted bass). What he did was refine things and figure out manufacturing processes that made them cheap and easy to produce.


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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:02 am
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I'm pretty sure it was Gibson (cough cough Fender is better)

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Rickenbauker (don't know how to spell it) started with an electric hollowbody, the first mass produced electric solidbody was the Fender Telecaster? maybe Esquire? maybe broadcaster? something along those lines.


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According to the Google search I did, it was NEITHER Fender or Gibson, but as someone state previously, RICKENBACKER...

http://www.guitarzzz.com/2008/who-inven ... ic-guitar/

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_made_the_ ... ric_guitar

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'Believe Charlie Christian was playing a production Gibson ES-150 with production Gibson amp in Chicago on stage regularly about 1938 or 40.


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just found the answer to this question and it all make sense to me now.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV19iB-_U5g) click on this website and I can't believe that back then Fender wanted to join with gibson? wow :shock:


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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:30 pm
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Some info found in support of my previous statment. Loyd Loar was making prototype's when he worked for Gibson in the 1920's

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Commercially successful electric instruments began to appear in the 1930s. In 1931 Rickenbacher (that's a correct spelling for the era) produced a Hawaiian guitar that came to be known as the "Frying Pan". It was the first instrument to use a modern style electromagnetic pickup which, in addition to ten years of market simmering, might explain its success.

Rickenbacher was not alone - Rowe-DeArmond had started producing pickups early in the decade and Dobro produced a small number of amplified resonator guitars in 1932.

While the Hawaiian guitars were solid from the start, the electric "Spanish" guitars of the time were mostly arch tops with a pickup stuck on them. Various global events were pulling attention away from guitar manufacturing. As a result the electric guitar did not begin to become well known until the late 30s when Charlie Christian and Benny Goodman's band brought Gibson's ES-150 to the masses. (Note that "ES" stands for Electric Spanish).

The Second World War continued to hamper development because people with manufacturing skills were pressed into service.

Les Paul (born in 1916) had experimented with his own pickups as early as 1929. He was certain that making a stiffer instrument, keeping the pickup in place and allowing the strings to move was the way to go and so started working toward solid instruments.

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