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Post subject: Should Fender have stayed only "MIA" like Gibson?
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:56 am
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1) To the best of my knowledge, all Gibsons are MIA with Gibson's lesser (and cheaper) non-MIA products being sold under a different non-Gibson brand (primarily Epi).
2) Contrary to this approach, Fender does sell Fender-branded products that are made from many non-MIA locations. For example, you can get a "Fender Stratocaster" that is made in the USA, Mexico, Japan, Korea, etc...

My question to you:
Do you like Fender's strategy? Or would you have preferred that non-MIA Fender products be sold under a non-Fender line (and maybe not Squier, either) more similar to how Gibson brands their lesser lines?

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Makes absolutely no difference to me where they are made.

When buying one the model series tells you where it was made, and after you've bought it frankly they all play well.

Gibson is just overpriced even their epi line for what you get.
The local shop near me now wants 2400$ for a frikin SG, and almost 1000$ for a epi les paul.

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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:08 am
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I guess if I were in charge, I would have never stated where they are manufactured. I would have marketed a good, better, best based around level of player...Just my 2 cents :)

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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:18 pm
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No!!!!! The point is you can have a real fender (name brand is what is counting) for a fraction of the price.Plus fender has earned it's name for the working mans guitar, that rockstars use (this is a good thing).

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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:22 pm
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I like fenders strategy it put the fender name brand in to someones hands who cant afford 1,000 dollar american guitars but rather 400 dolar mexican guitars wich are just as good


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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:24 pm
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I think Fender is right on target for getting their guitars into the hands of the people who want to play them. Even the higher end Squires are good for those who might not be able to afford the "Fender" name but still want to play a good guitar.

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I'm glad they make Fender guitars in Mexico. If they didn't, I wouldn't have been able to afford one.

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I must say, Fender's current strategy is more better than Gibson's
Mexican made give a lower price but same quality of all the series

American Standard = standard series
American Deluxe = deluxe series
American Vintage = classic series

The only Fender guitars witch don't have non MIA like Gibson only Fender Custom Shop......


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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:43 pm
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Fender had to do what they did, to combat the influx of Asian copies.

I can't help but wonder if Gibson would have the gigantic counterfeit problem they have now, if they had done something similar. Not that there aren't a lot of fake fenders, but Gibson has a pretty huge problem right now. fender kind of minimized that back in the 80's by getting quality manufacturers to build branded instruments to their specs, rather than letting them run amok with forgeries.

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Post subject: Re: Should Fender have stayed only "MIA" like Gibs
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:18 pm
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01GT eibach wrote:
1) To the best of my knowledge, all Gibsons are MIA with Gibson's lesser (and cheaper) non-MIA products being sold under a different non-Gibson brand (primarily Epi).
2) Contrary to this approach, Fender does sell Fender-branded products that are made from many non-MIA locations. For example, you can get a "Fender Stratocaster" that is made in the USA, Mexico, Japan, Korea, etc...

My question to you:
Do you like Fender's strategy? Or would you have preferred that non-MIA Fender products be sold under a non-Fender line (and maybe not Squier, either) more similar to how Gibson brands their lesser lines?


Don't kid yourself. Many of the components on high end Gibsons are imported as are those on the Fender MIAs. Here's some interesting points: Brazilian Rosewood, Indian Rosewood, Schaller, Gotoh and Ping machine heads and bridges, etc. And does anyone honestly think the vast majority of the plastic parts are made here? Think about it, you can't even buy a coffee cup made in this country. You see where this is going.

I don't care where the guitar and/or its components are made as long as it fulfills my personal requirements for an excellent guitar.

Personally, I feel any import which has the Fender name as it's primary name (meaning, not Squier, etc.) is every bit a genuine Fender as their MIA counterpart(s) and these imports' attributes easily prove this. Besides, for Fender to charge what they charge for the American models, they have to disclose what their import models are for price point differential. And then, there's the whole MIA snob appeal thing.

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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:25 pm
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At one time Fenders were all MIJ. The American factory was not included in the sale by CBS.

I've played several MIM Strats I like, and I'd have no problem with buying one of them.

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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:00 pm
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It does not make a difference. I dont understand it though when people say that Gibson are overpriced, come on they are nice guitars. And Epiphone is a seperate company owned buy Gibson and they make low end guitars just like Fender and they make higher end guitars like many Fenders at a cost of 1000. and there nice guitars also. Epiphone as a company has been around since like the 1880's and in the 1900's they were Gibson's main compatition but after the war they had finance trouble and were bought by the company that owned Gibson. They have been making guitars a lot longer then Fender. Right now I have numerious guitar brands in My house because they all have there thing that makes them each different. Lets just say I like guitars not brand names.

It is the model and how its made not where its made there are nice guitars coming from the mim facility and there are some I dont like and would not buy . Like everywhere else and everyone else. in the business.

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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:09 pm
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Unless your buying an Epi Slash LP, none of the LPs cost $1000; maybe the local shop is ripping people off. Epi LP standards are $500-650.

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Makes absolutely no difference to me where they are made.

When buying one the model series tells you where it was made, and after you've bought it frankly they all play well.

Gibson is just overpriced even their epi line for what you get.
The local shop near me now wants 2400$ for a frikin SG, and almost 1000$ for a epi les paul.

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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:51 pm
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Unless your buying an Epi Slash LP, none of the LPs cost $1000; maybe the local shop is ripping people off. Epi LP standards are $500-650.

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Makes absolutely no difference to me where they are made.

When buying one the model series tells you where it was made, and after you've bought it frankly they all play well.

Gibson is just overpriced even their epi line for what you get.
The local shop near me now wants 2400$ for a frikin SG, and almost 1000$ for a epi les paul.
The Elitist until a few years ago cost much more the that and now the Zakk's and the Custom prophecy's and the Customs are selling between 800.00 and 850.00 and a few of the Custom Plus's with the Flame maple caps and Maple necks that at our shop had went for 950. becasue I don't see them anymore just the Standard Plus's which get 650.along with the Ultras at 650. A few years back I got My Custom Plus for 799.00 ane this one was made by Saein which I had to keep My eye out for finding one made there like the Peerless Hollowbodies they are the guys to look for. Been doing this stuff a long time like many on the boards we all learn.

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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:59 pm
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I've actually suggested on several occasions on Gibson- and Epiphone-oriented forums that Gibson should move some (or all) Epiphone production to Mexico.

Also, just so anyone is aware, the Gibson Song Maker acoustic series is made in Canada.


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