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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:08 pm
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I am interested if fender is preparing some new signature models.
I would like to see a signature of John frusciante stratocaster.


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I think there are too many signature models out now as it is. When you see people like Avril Lavigne and her husband Derrick Whibley getting them, that's when it's getting out of hand. But if Fender does decide to give another one out, I think they should give one to Motley Crue Guitarist Mick Mars.


Find the "Ask Mike Edlred" thread, and his commentary on what leads them to the decision to produce a signature guitar. :wink:

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Fender, Gibson, and all the other companies love this whole Signature model craze. There is no down side for musical instrument companies doing signatures.. First off it is the cheapest way to get mass advertising and still get the highest profit margin. You throw a star some cash and a contract; then you sell guitars with their name on it for a few hundred more that the guitar retails for. It’s a marketing ploy that works and works well.. Heck I fully understand how advertising works and the whole trick to get the public to buy and I still own 3 signatures. It does work)! The thing that really bugs me is that (not all) but a lot of pro players that endorse cretin brands are playing Ghost built guitars with a cretin company names on it. The guitars they are playing is not even close to the one your buying as a signature. A few examples( Fender Gibson,Gretsch; JBG Ghostbuilt Fender & Gibson Vintage Style Guitars and Basses for ZZ Tops Billy Gibbons & Dusty Hill. Also for Joe Perry…… Paul Reed Smith actually Ghostbuilt Ted Nugent a Gibson Byrdland back in 1974. Ted wanted something better than stock…. Tacoma Guitars solely owned by Fender Ghostbuilds all of the Guild flat top acoustic guitars… Chu Shin Gakki in Japan Ghostbuilds all the Jackson imported guitars, not Jackson under the Fender music corp… Joe Despagne (AKA JEM) Ghostbuilt many of Steve Vai's original Ibanez brand name guitars, not Ibanez… Ed Roman's Custom Shop Ghostbuilt several of the Gene Simmons USA Made AXE Basses after Kramer went out of business. They had to pay Gene $1,000.00 each for the right to do it. But that of course gets passed on to the customer. … A California luthier named "MAX" Ghostbuilds most of Slash's guitars that say Gibson on them. Slash actually told magazine interviewers this and it actually got printed…. PRS actually had their EG Model USA Ghostbuilt by a small guitar manufacturer in Baltimore … Abstract Guitars Ghostbuilt the Randy Rhoads Polka Dot Guitar for 12 years before actually putting the brand name on the guitar…. ESP Ghostbuilt all of the early cheaper Kramer Strikers & Aerodyne guitars during the 80's` companies have the racket.. It not illegal but it is immoral to misrepresent to the public what they are getting for their money…I agree with jeff046….there are too many signatures out there now.

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I agree with the frusciante signature.. that would be really cool... :)


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Fender, Gibson, and all the other companies love this whole Signature model craze. There is no down side for musical instrument companies doing signatures.. First off it is the cheapest way to get mass advertising and still get the highest profit margin. You throw a star some cash and a contract; then you sell guitars with their name on it for a few hundred more that the guitar retails for. .

Kind of like a Hannah Montana guitar for the older generation to get taken on. Keep putting different players of respect names on them the Air Jordan versions of guitars.
Just make me a good playing guitar I don't need to have a players name attached to it. To me it is a meaning less waste of money.

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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:48 pm
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I think we have too many signature modles now. why not get back to just makeing great guitars.


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What else is there to do? How many more modifications can Fender make to a Telecaster or Stratocaster? You can change the pickups, but what else can you do to make it current? I am not a fan of the road worn series, but I know a lot of kids who want them because they like the idea of playing an old beat up guitar they normally would not be able to afford. If you add two humbuckers to a Tele, is it a tele? If you added three humbuckers to a Strat, is it a strat? I only wish the artist models were more affordable. All guitar makers have the same problem. It looks like an artist model on a limited production run is the answer.


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[quote="vcartier"]What else is there to do? How many more modifications can Fender make to a Telecaster or Stratocaster?

Take the Clapton as an example. Fender was working on active pickup/midboost concept around the time Eric was looking for something to replace his stage guitar. They R&D'd it into some genuinely new. It is likely that the circuitry or that particular neck profile would not have come along as rapidly, if ever, had it not been for Eric's quest. There are little tweaks which appear on these signature instruments which are not production issue and, other than Masterbuilt, would not be available at an acceptable price point.

As for the relic concept...that's a personal preference. Had I not be in favor of playing a pristine instrument, I'd likely still have my '58 Stratocaster intact. But that's a tale I've told elsewhere in these forums.

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The hints towards the townsend strat have me quite giddy with anticipation.

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nikininja wrote:
The hints towards the townsend strat have me quite giddy with anticipation.


That's and interesting guitar, gathering from the YouTube piece. A Clapton with an afterburner 8) Something to consider for your new gig :idea:

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jeffo46 wrote:
I think there are too many signature models out now as it is. When you see people like Avril Lavigne and her husband Derrick Whibley getting them, that's when it's getting out of hand. But if Fender does decide to give another one out, I think they should give one to Motley Crue Guitarist Mick Mars.


I agree 100% Mick should be the next to be considered for a Sig model.

And to vura12 I fail to see why someone like John F should be getting a signature model because if you ask me there is nothing special about his playing to warrent one. Though if Fender granted Jim Adkins and John Mayer with one I guess there is hope for John F.


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Signature models are all about marketing more than who deserves one...

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Signature models are all about marketing more than who deserves one...


Of course :!: ..FMIC is your typical, altruistic, charitable organization...NOT :!: Let's run this one more time. Zip back to the mid-80's. Fender is tweaking it's 'Elite' model Stratocaster as a test bed for active pickups and also has Actodyne on the back burner working on the Lace Sensors.

Enter, the Strat Plus....the new top of the line. In the same time frame, Eric Clapton, a phoenix rising from the ashes, with a new audience and popularity, is looking for a fresh approach to new guitar. He wants a Strat for all seasons. So they take the best from cutting edge technology, and produce this guitar for him and ,better yet, put his 'signature' on it. Then they tell the guitar playing community, 'You wouldn't want to part with yours either.' The rest is history.


So, fast forward to 2009 and this guitar is still available, and in three formats yet...production, CS, and Masterbuilt, each with a slightly different tweak and....to make it even sweeter.... one may, as this writer did, take that guitar as template, and have the Custom Shop do what one will with it...sans signature. (Better yet, take a look at 'Wildwood's' stable of Custom Shop Claptons).

Not bad for a more than 20 year run for a product model. A very popular, all-around, journeyman's guitar.

There's a market demand from guitarists who want to identify with their influences, and all the major manufacturers are taking advantage of that demand, with generally higher quality product. (If you haven't had the David Gilmour Stratocaster in your hands yet, audition one!)

US automakers should doing as well. :wink:

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zzdoc wrote:
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Signature models are all about marketing more than who deserves one...


Of course :!: ..FMIC is your typical, altruistic, charitable organization...NOT :!: Let's run this one more time. Zip back to the mid-80's. Fender is tweaking it's 'Elite' model Stratocaster as a test bed for active pickups and also has Actodyne on the back burner working on the Lace Sensors. Up comes the Strat Plus and around the same time, Eric Clapton, a phoenix rising from the ashes, with a new audience and popularity, looking for a fresh approach to new guitar. He wants a Strat for all seasons. So they take the best of all worlds and produce this guitar for him and ,better yet, put his 'signature' on it and tell the guitar playing community, 'you can have the same guitar in your hands'.

So, fast forward to 2009 and this guitar is still available, and in three formats yet...production, CS, and Masterbuilt, each with slightly different tweak to satisfy the buyer's particular wishes and....to make it even sweeter one may, as this writer did, take that guitar as template, and have the Custom Shop do what one will with it...sans signature.

Not bad for a more than 20 year run for a product model. US automakers should only be doing as well. :wink:

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Actually the very first signature model Fender marketed widely was for Yngwie Malmsteen, not Eric Clapton. The Eric Clapton came slightly after that...but once again, the Yngwie was all about marketing as it was introduced at a time when most metal or shred guitarists where looking elsewhere, and this kind of brought some of that demographics attention back to Fender...

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that...but once again, the Yngwie was all about marketing as it was introduced at a time when most metal or shred guitarists where looking elsewhere, and this kind of brought some of that demographics attention back to Fender...[/quote]

From A.R. Duchossoir: "The Malmsteen contract was signed on January 15, 1987....production began in Summer fo 1988. The Clapton contract was signed on May 7, 1987...production began in Spring of 1988."

Seems to me the question of who came first is a matter of splitting hairs. Over the past twenty years, in terms of demand, variety, and longevity, the Clapton guitar has been a better perfomer for the company.

That's called 'the bottom' line.

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