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Post subject: Where have all the beatniks gone?
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:01 am
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Hey folks, this is a hair off topic, but please contribute if you know something.

Back from the late 40s through mid-60s, "beatniks" rose up as a new sub-species of $@!& sapiens and thrived, particularly in urban America.

Then came the simutaneous-sequential surf music / British Invasion / hippies / disco / hyper-produced sequin-country...

...and the beatniks were GONE.

Coffee houses and poetry slams are back, but American society tragically remains beatnik-less.

Where have all the hep cats gone?


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They either went to San Francisco or New York's east village.


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They either went to San Francisco or New York's east village.

Thats right Daddy-O...man what an era...I`m glad we got past that stage.


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The first thing I think of when I hear Beatnik is Dobie Gillis. That show was groovy.............

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Post subject: Re: Where have all the beatniks gone?
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:07 pm
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... please contribute if you know something.



...and the beatniks were GONE.



Where have all the hep cats gone?



I believe they became bankers and others went to work on Wall Street...that's why we're in the mess we're in..... :cry: :cry: :wink: :cry: :cry:


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The Beat Generation lived in the early 50s, and represented a rejection of the stifling conformity that crept through American culture from 1945 to 1955. Even a very young "beatnik" (Let's say, 20 years old) would be something like 77 years old today. Most of the Beat writers - Kerouac, Ginsberg, Ferlinghetti, Burroughs, etc. - were already 30 or more by then. So the answer to the original poster's question is: they're all dead.

The spirit of the Beats lived on and was expanded in Society so-called "hippie" movement. The Diggers, Students for a Democratic Soceity and others worked to establish a permanent counter-culture in the US, but were hounded into disarray by the reactionary US Government of the day.

Keep in mind that media representations of "beatniks" and "hippies" are as real as any media representation, which is to say, a shallow fabrication. Imagining that you've encountered such a person because you saw one on TV is like thinking you know how to survive on a desert island because of all those cartoons of men in shredded pants putting messages in bottles.

The Beats and the Hippies did not become the people who wrecked the global economy. Those people were in US business schools from the late 1980s through the end of the 90s. They were probably about 10 years old when the hippie movement was in full force.


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The Beats and the Hippies did not become the people who wrecked the global economy. Those people were in US business schools from the late 1980s through the end of the 90s. They were probably about 10 years old when the hippie movement was in full force.



Fair enough........ they were the parents of the people who wrecked us !!


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The Beats and the Hippies did not become the people who wrecked the global economy. Those people were in US business schools from the late 1980s through the end of the 90s. They were probably about 10 years old when the hippie movement was in full force.



Fair enough........ they were the parents of the people who wrecked us !!


I don't think so. Beatnik or hippie culture was never in the mainstream, despite the huge amount of media attention paid to it. The parents of the people who are screwing us over now were over-reaching upper-middle-class social climbers... guys who owned car dealerships and ad agencies in the 60's, the sort of people who subscribed to LIFE magazine and got a little rattled when they saw the Rolling Stones on the Sullivan show, who drank away their anxiety about Vietnam at backyard BBQs and experimented with wife-swapping. They were the same dull-eyed suburbanites the Beats rebelled against, and they far, far outnumbered any counter-culturists, as they usually do.


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baliman1 wrote:
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The Beats and the Hippies did not become the people who wrecked the global economy. Those people were in US business schools from the late 1980s through the end of the 90s. They were probably about 10 years old when the hippie movement was in full force.



Fair enough........ they were the parents of the people who wrecked us !!


I don't think so. Beatnik or hippie culture was never in the mainstream, despite the huge amount of media attention paid to it. The parents of the people who are screwing us over now were over-reaching upper-middle-class social climbers... guys who owned car dealerships and ad agencies in the 60's, the sort of people who subscribed to LIFE magazine and got a little rattled when they saw the Rolling Stones on the Sullivan show, who drank away their anxiety about Vietnam at backyard BBQs and experimented with wife-swapping. They were the same dull-eyed suburbanites the Beats rebelled against, and they far, far outnumbered any counter-culturists, as they usually do.


I was only joking.. :x ... BUT..... I believe there's alot of blame to share for this mess with ALOT of people. :cry: ... especially our great politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle !!!! :evil:


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The Beat Generation lived in the early 50s, and represented a rejection of the stifling conformity that crept through American culture from 1945 to 1955. Even a very young "beatnik" (Let's say, 20 years old) would be something like 77 years old today. Most of the Beat writers - Kerouac, Ginsberg, Ferlinghetti, Burroughs, etc. - were already 30 or more by then. So the answer to the original poster's question is: they're all dead.

The spirit of the Beats lived on and was expanded in Society so-called "hippie" movement. The Diggers, Students for a Democratic Soceity and others worked to establish a permanent counter-culture in the US, but were hounded into disarray by the reactionary US Government of the day.

Keep in mind that media representations of "beatniks" and "hippies" are as real as any media representation, which is to say, a shallow fabrication. Imagining that you've encountered such a person because you saw one on TV is like thinking you know how to survive on a desert island because of all those cartoons of men in shredded pants putting messages in bottles.

The Beats and the Hippies did not become the people who wrecked the global economy. Those people were in US business schools from the late 1980s through the end of the 90s. They were probably about 10 years old when the hippie movement was in full force.

I'd say 1960's to 90's. The folks that sank the economy are as mulit-generational as those that suffer from their greed.

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About the topic, I just think they started playing folk music 'cause nobody wanted to record Beat Poetry. The world just wasn't ready for White-boy Rap.

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The first thing I think of when I hear Beatnik is Dobie Gillis. That show was groovy.............


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i'm diggin this thread, how bout the late 19th century dandy's
thoooose were bossseeeess

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