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songwriters board on fender
Poll ended at Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:20 pm
Yes 77%  77%  [ 24 ]
No 23%  23%  [ 7 ]
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To be more precise: it only affects the website if Brad and Fender chooses to let it affect the site. The poll will not determine anything.

IMHO, the low voter turnout speaks volumes.


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Actually the voter turnout is about average for a "Change In The Forum" Poll, but what this vote is lacking is an indifferent vote.

I can understand Being FOR a new section to the forum, and I can understand indifference to a new section, but I really can't understand why someone outside Fenders Risk department would be AGAINST it. The only real change would be that the Threads people start in the Forum about songwriting wont get burried after a couple hours of John Mayer vs. Tone Loc threads.

In Fact Fender could make it a Home Recording and Song Writing forum, then we wouldn't have to keep bumping the Home Recording thread.

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yes. sorry i did'nt get it at first i thought ,there i go again, ok just yes.


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To be more precise: it only affects the website if Brad and Fender chooses to let it affect the site. The poll will not determine anything.

IMHO, the low voter turnout speaks volumes.


thats what i meant. like i said chances are it wont happen. the purpose of this poll was to stop the arguing about it. so can you please stop trying to strike at me for posting it. if it helps ill remove the post because i dont want to be the cause of an argument.

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Food for thought...

You might want to register on mixposure.com or songplanet.com and start a thread where others could add ideas, parts, collab?

As long as you don't use this forum's name or the mothership name at all, you could still post it in a thread and call it something like 'Songwriters Unite Here' or along those lines?

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well, i would like a songwriting forum, but only to talk about writing, advancements on a song i'm writing, asking for tips, etc. but i wouldn't post a song idea on the forum because someone would be bound to steal it.

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I don't see the necessity of a separate forum for songwriting, unless Fender starts manufacturing a line of composing software. The forum, after all, is a marketing tool for their product as much as anything. There's no reason why we can't discuss writing in the Lounge...like we're doing now.

(And this is not non-writer bias. I compose a bit myself.)

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The problem with song writing threads in the forum is that they get buried under the girth of This vs That threads and "I'm new Why does Fender suck"? threads. s The forum just move to fast for any one trhead to get the notice songwriters want.

Also the topics that would be discussed in a songwriters thread would be to varied for one thread. No doubt the topics that would surface would be something like "The Hook", "Riffs", "Page and Plant", "Simon and Shuller", "What's an Opus?".

Fender doesn't need to host anyone's material, but links to your songs that are hosted on sites mentioned throughout this thread would be cool. Infact a good thread for the new Forum would be "Places that legaly host your Original material".

As far as having your stuff stolen, you better lock yourself in the basement with your master tapes and not let anyone hear your original work, 'cause if your good enough, someones gonna steal it wether you copyright it or not. In fact, only the best art gets stolen, so that would be a good indication your on the right track.

I'd love to have someone like my writing enough to steal it, 'cause that means someone would like it enough to buy it, but how do I get my stuff to a legitamate distributor? Hmmmm....sounds like a Thread Topic for the songwriters forum.

Plus Fender makes the most important songwriting tools of all, Gutars, Basses, and the G-DEC series Amps. A song doesn't need Software to be written, just Heart, Soul, and a Pen (Fender makes a Cool Pen). Now that I think of it, Bic should have a songwriters forum.

In short, The Lounge is too busy for a sonwriting Thread to stay near the top long enough, the Topics Songwriters and aspiring songwriters need to talk about are too Varied for one Thread, and Fender would only benefit from a forum that attracts musicians that want to produce more music. Let Music Beget Music.

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But then working musicians will want a separate forum to discuss gigging, someone else will want one for recording (home and studio enthusiasts will need separate forums, of course), and once blues guitarists get their own forum, the country, hard rock, reggae, ska, shoegazing, and improvisational players will want to be represented. Where is the line drawn?

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So, in an an attempt to stop Message Board Chaos the Fender Forum should never expand?

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well, i would like a songwriting forum, but only to talk about writing, advancements on a song i'm writing, asking for tips, etc. but i wouldn't post a song idea on the forum because someone would be bound to steal it.


Not if it was password protected and there is room on the pages to discuss related info also. :wink:

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I have no view either way on whether a seperate Forum is required for songwriters (presumably such a thing exists elsewhere?).

However, I'd be glad to see more threads on songwriting, including some of the topics FirstMeasure mentioned (above). I doubt I've much to contribute. But I bet I've a lot to learn!

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Here's the problem with a songwriting forum... from someone who has been a member of several. Please don't take this as a harsh judgement of any individual on this Forum... I dont' know your songs, and maybe you're awesome. But this is what I have seen over and over again:

A 'songwriting" forum is an excuse to post MP3s and videos of yourself playing your own songs. (For confirmation, check the previous poster's complaint: the Lounge moves too fast to get songwriters the notice that they want. Exactly.) Your pals will tell you how great you are, how much progress you've made, and how they might just change ONE LITTLE WORD in the chorus, but other than that, it's a hit, it's "a great write," it's radio-ready, and you are SO creative, SO very cool....

There will be at least one, probably two (but a forum can't support much more than that) posters who will claim to be professionals, will drop hints that they've placed songs with this pop star or that country group, and will pass snotty judgement or damn with faint praise... it will take months before anyone notices that they never post anything. When challenged, they'll haughtily inform the group that a real pro would never post their work on the Internet...

There will be a revolving door of highly sensitive and easily hurt kids who will post terrible lyrics about their boy and/or girlfriends, and will fly into a tearful rage when the group politely fails to comment...

Thee will be the death-core types who will post hideously dark songs featuring torture and bleeding, who are secretly hoping that the others will be too skeeved out by the lyrics to attempt a critique, and when someone does give it a shot, will inform them that they "don't understand the genre..."

There will be one mean-spirited sniper who delights in picking nits in other's songs. When called on it, he'll defend his stance as "keepin' it real," and engage the community in a hollering match over whether or not any of the critiques are really valuable, and then, as the argument reaches it peak, he'll slink away....

But mostly, it will just be mediocre home recordings of poorly conceived and executed songs about girlfriends and sad days, with the occasional "funny" tune about a junky car or something and the occasional "political" song.

You can find this experience precisely as I've described it in dozens of places around the net. Why would Fender want to provide this experience on their nickel, when it does nothing to promote the sale of their guitars? (And the example above is a good one... Fender no more needs a songwriting forum than Bic needs one because writers use pens.)

I'm just telling how every such forum I've ever seen runs. If the topics you want to discuss are too varied for The Lounge, and you want to belong to a songwriting forum, then you should join one. If I were in Brad's (or his boss's) chair, I'd say no.


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j_rockr91 wrote:
well, i would like a songwriting forum, but only to talk about writing, advancements on a song i'm writing, asking for tips, etc. but i wouldn't post a song idea on the forum because someone would be bound to steal it.


I think this is a better idea. There are plenty of other places to post your work and unless your copyright is registered, you put your work at risk.


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Why not, let see if it's possible. More reasons to stay on the computer.


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