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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:58 pm
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Personally i chose to use marshalls, but not because i love the tone any more then fenders. But i spent many years in bar bands and one of the lessons i learned is that with some amps you can get a great sound that fits perfectly in the mix one nite and the next it's a horror story. Turns out it's the midrange that either makes that inconsistency happen or keeps it from happening. Not just how much mids, but what kind. It just so happens marshalls have a mid that cuts and sounds good room to room, nite to nite. Fenders have a scooped midrange and therfore can be torturously inconsistent. ask me how i know ! Once i read a interview with a guitarist from some popular band back in the day that said the same thing, and thats what got me to try marshalls. after that i rarely ever had a bad nite that wasn't my hand's fault. I really like some fender tones, but i'd never again use them to gig with unless i was playing jazz or some very soft form of music. I mostly play blues and classic rock. i did recently however try a new blues deville reissue and i gotta say, it sounded better then most fenders i've played. i was shocked because i hated the original blues devillie in the 90's. I'd be tempted to try and gig with one if i still gigged and didn't already build myself what i feel is the ultimate marshall.


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Personally i chose to use marshalls, but not because i love the tone any more then fenders. But i spent many years in bar bands and one of the lessons i learned is that with some amps you can get a great sound that fits perfectly in the mix one nite and the next it's a horror story. Turns out it's the midrange that either makes that inconsistency happen or keeps it from happening. Not just how much mids, but what kind. It just so happens marshalls have a mid that cuts and sounds good room to room, nite to nite. Fenders have a scooped midrange and therfore can be torturously inconsistent. ask me how i know ! Once i read a interview with a guitarist from some popular band back in the day that said the same thing, and thats what got me to try marshalls. after that i rarely ever had a bad nite that wasn't my hand's fault. I really like some fender tones, but i'd never again use them to gig with unless i was playing jazz or some very soft form of music. I mostly play blues and classic rock. i did recently however try a new blues deville reissue and i gotta say, it sounded better then most fenders i've played. i was shocked because i hated the original blues devillie in the 90's. I'd be tempted to try and gig with one if i still gigged and didn't already build myself what i feel is the ultimate marshall.


The midrange is what clinches it for me too. I first went to marshalls for scoop when i started gigging i found that doesnt work fast. Marshall midrange seems focused dead center, making it very versatile. Marshall tone stacks work on a interactive basis, if the mids on 10 and you want more you can lower the bass and treb up the volume and get a touch more mid the reverse works too. I cant for the life of me imagine why people look to vintage30 loaded cabs. The G75's have much more mid response. A marshall will do a half acceptable Fender clean sound, for a gig enviroment. Fender have never got anywhere near the marshall drive tone though. Consequently i own both.

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Haven't played through a Marshal, but like my Crate as much as my friend's Fender. I'm more into clean fingerpicking and chording so don't have much use for distortion.


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I agree that it is all in the ears of the player..

I would say for clean blues nothing can beat a fender guitar through a fender amp. When you get into the dirty stuff it levels the playing field. I believe that you need to start with the best clean first. Fender amps


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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:08 am
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Does anybady know is it better to play fender guitar with a fender amp or is it better to use marshall FOR BLUES??




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good question but tough only because the sound man were ever you're playing is mic'ing your gear, in the old days the one time i saw jimi and his exprience he had 4 stacks on his side and noel only had two, but, from were i was in the audience i really could'nt say if they were identical, (it was the only hollywood bowl appearance for them if any of you bros was closer i think i've seen dubbed vid on you tube but its pretty blurry), then this band canned heat's guitar player henry vestine used a wall of what looked like bandmaster cabs stacked maybe five high five or six across it was the loudest guitar, even to this day metalica, the cult, ac/dc don't seem as loud as he was, now with swr fender affiliated its gotta help just like mercedes is helping chrysler, tough question but ultimately one you can have fun with, enjoy bro.

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For Blues (in my opinion) of the 2 brands mentioned, Fender wins "hands down". To my ear, Fender amps have a crisper sound clean and overdrive more nicely than a Marshall (now you can't beat Marshall for Heavy Metal but that's not what we're talking about here). I also think that the Blues really needs to be played through a combo amp rather than a head and cab (which is what I always think when I think Marshall).

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I was messing around with my Super Champ XD last night, and found that the Marshall voice really sings nicely. I know this is a toy to some, but with the amount of choices available, you can go from a clean bluesy (Fender) tone, to an all out marshall crunch. There are some voicings on this amp that, to me, really sound good.


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My experience is that the Fenders are good for clean only. Marshalls are the opposite of Fenders these days. For some reason the companies have not been successful in trying the others fortay. Just like Gibson has not had success with bolt-on necks and fender has not been successful with set necks. Somehow these companies just get their niche and stck to it, even though they makes attempts to crossover. It not that they can not make a good version of the others fortay, it that the people don't buy a fender for distorted tones.

Now lets look at design. Everything from the preamp all the way to the speakers has a different approach. Marshall uses celestion speakers, which break up nicely under distortion. While celestions can sound good clean, they want to break up with volume. You will never get that completely clean fender tone up loud with them. Plus they are a warmer sounding speaker, which rolls off the highs a bit. You don't really want to do that in a fender, you want to keep the highs clear and lively.

Fender speakers are made to stay clean, even loud. To me they don't break up well at all, they sound sterile and harsh with distortion. However, they sounds very lively clean, and maintain that better as volume goes up. i can't buy into the idea that when picking an amp that you want one with the best clean sound. Some of the best distorted amps can't compare to Fenders clean on their clean channel. But Fenders can't compete with the distorted tones.

The answer to this post is, will you be playing distorted blues or clean blues?
Distorted =Marshall
Clean=Fender

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My experience is that the Fenders are good for clean only. Marshalls are the opposite of Fenders these days. For some reason the companies have not been successful in trying the others fortay. Just like Gibson has not had success with bolt-on necks and fender has not been successful with set necks. Somehow these companies just get their niche and stck to it, even though they makes attempts to crossover. It not that they can not make a good version of the others fortay, it that the people don't buy a fender for distorted tones.

Now lets look at design. Everything from the preamp all the way to the speakers has a different approach. Marshall uses celestion speakers, which break up nicely under distortion. While celestions can sound good clean, they want to break up with volume. You will never get that completely clean fender tone up loud with them. Plus they are a warmer sounding speaker, which rolls off the highs a bit. You don't really want to do that in a fender, you want to keep the highs clear and lively.

Fender speakers are made to stay clean, even loud. To me they don't break up well at all, they sound sterile and harsh with distortion. However, they sounds very lively clean, and maintain that better as volume goes up. i can't buy into the idea that when picking an amp that you want one with the best clean sound. Some of the best distorted amps can't compare to Fenders clean on their clean channel. But Fenders can't compete with the distorted tones.

The answer to this post is, will you be playing distorted blues or clean blues?
Distorted =Marshall
Clean=Fender

FS, i understood that! thanks bro!

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I have owned a few marshalls so I know they're good .. I hope eventually I own a fender :)


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