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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:19 pm
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I can do pinch harmonics without a pick also, I actually find it quite easier.


Hi 3-Tone: I'm interested to hear that. I am a fingers and thumb player and I've never been much good at pulling squealies on demand. I always assumed that was because I don't use a pick. I'd be very glad to know how you're doing it just with your fingers.

Don't need that sound much - but it would be great to be sure of pulling one out when wanted. Advice gladly received...

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Hi Ceri,
There is another way of creating harmonics, I think they call it ' forced harmonics '
You know how you play normal harmonics, lightly touching the 12th fret with say 3rd finger of left hand and then plucking with pick or finger.
Well put your left hand out of the way for a while and then touch very lightly with 1st finger r/hand on say 6th string 12th fret and pluck upwards with 3rd finger r/hand. Go through all six strings on 12th fret using that technique.
Once you get the hang of that technique. Try running slowly through, say, open E chord. Place fingers of L/hand in E chord position.
Now then, using the technique, there as to be a 12 fret distance at all times. so to play through the chord, the 1st finger r/hand would position thus.
6th string 12th fret
5th string 14th fret
4th string 14th fret
3rd string 13th fret
2nd string 12th fret
1st string 12th fret
And you play through the chord, slowly in harmonics. So now you can play harmonics virtually anywhere on the fretboard within reason. You have to keep that 12 fret distance, so you have to pluck with 2nd finger, the higher you get up the fretboard.
Try the G barre chord, your 1st finger will have to place thus.
6th- 15th fret
5th- 17th fret
4th- 17th fret
3rd- 16th fret
2nd- 15th fret
1st - 15th fret
The G barre of course with your left hand on 3rd fret.
I know this sounds a bit clumsy, it's difficult to explain here, like this but if you do get the hang of it, it will be a very useful little tool for a fingers player. I use it myself in certain situations.
Hope it's been helpful Ceri.
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[/quote] I use my fingers like a pick but without the pick and it just feels easier.[/quote]

thats exactly the way i play

like holding a pick only your not holding a pick :D

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Hi Rhumba: thanks very much for that. So happens the Guitarist magazine DVD a couple of summers ago had a fabulous film of Doyle Dykes demonstrating exactly what you're talking about.

Then he throws in what he calls "harping", which involves playing the forced harmonic on, say, the third string with thumb and first finger, followed by the open note plucked on the first string with the second finger. Then the harmonic on the fourth string, open note plucked on the second. Etc, etc, back and forth across the strings - at dazzling speed and with a multiplicity of patterns, left hand leaping about fretting the chords.

Very hard to describe here - and annoyingly I can't find the clip on YouTube, because people here would be knocked out to see it. Those Guitarist vids are sometimes very good - and never seem to find their way onto YouTube...

I understand the principle of what Doyle Dykes was doing and can do it a bit myself, though of course nowhere close to his playing.

The thing I've never really got under my belt is Billy Gibbons style pinched harmonics - "squealies". Since others here are saying they can do them without a pick (how I play) I guess I simply have to go back and try a bit harder.

Practice!

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Ceri, the finger & thumb pinched harmonic is a very natural technique if you use a plectrum for some playing too. the right hand finger position is very similar to holding a pic. Needless to say plenty of box given gain is a big help when exploring pinch harmonics. Also move the point at which you pinch between all parts of the string between the bridge and neck pickups.

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I'm a Better player than explainer, but let me try this.

There is a Harmonic right over the 12th fret because thats the halfway point in the string. There's one over the 5th fret cause its 1/4 of the strings length, there's another one that sounds exactly the same over the Neck Pick up (24th fret if that applies), 'cause it's also 1/4 of the way down the string. There's one over the 7th fret 'cause it's 1/3 the way up the string, same goes for the 19th fret, It's 1/3 the way down the string. If you fret the first fret, the 13th fret is now half way up the string and all the other harmonics adjust accordingly.

There are Harmonics all over around the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th fret, so of course these will be at the opposite end of the string as well. These are the ones that you'll be "Pinching". As you fret around the neck, the harmonics move accordingly. So pinch harmonics are always movin' around.

If that's no help, I'll just shut up and play my guitar.

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Ceri wrote:
Hi Rhumba: thanks very much for that. So happens the Guitarist magazine DVD a couple of summers ago had a fabulous film of Doyle Dykes demonstrating exactly what you're talking about.

Then he throws in what he calls "harping", which involves playing the forced harmonic on, say, the third string with thumb and first finger, followed by the open note plucked on the first string with the second finger. Then the harmonic on the fourth string, open note plucked on the second. Etc, etc, back and forth across the strings - at dazzling speed and with a multiplicity of patterns, left hand leaping about fretting the chords.

Very hard to describe here - and annoyingly I can't find the clip on YouTube, because people here would be knocked out to see it. Those Guitarist vids are sometimes very good - and never seem to find their way onto YouTube...

I understand the principle of what Doyle Dykes was doing and can do it a bit myself, though of course nowhere close to his playing.

The thing I've never really got under my belt is Billy Gibbons style pinched harmonics - "squealies". Since others here are saying they can do them without a pick (how I play) I guess I simply have to go back and try a bit harder.

Practice!

Cheers - C



Hey Ceri,
" Harping " yeah right, thanks, I'll give that one a go, not seen that before I love to mess around with these kind of things. All extra tools in the box.
Thanks man,
Cheers.... :D


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I find it easier to get pinch when you have as little of the pick showing as possible, then I'm guessing what others describe with thumb and pick happens.


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nikininja wrote:
Ceri, the finger & thumb pinched harmonic is a very natural technique if you use a plectrum for some playing too. the right hand finger position is very similar to holding a pic. Needless to say plenty of box given gain is a big help when exploring pinch harmonics. Also move the point at which you pinch between all parts of the string between the bridge and neck pickups.


Oh dear oh dear - I seem to be all over Stratmastah!'s thread - sorry!

Niki, my brother-in-law is one of those who seems to be able to play pinched harmonic "squealies" in the Billy Gibbons mode all day long, spot on every time. With me it is a very hit and miss affair, and probably more miss.

I'd always assumed that was because he uses a pick and can control exactly that required mixture of plastic and flesh, whereas I'm a fingers and thumb player and it seems kind of a toss up with me whether I get my thumb nail doing the right thing or not. Mostly not.

However, enough people have posted here that they can do it without a pick, perhaps even better. The answer is I just need to apply myself to it a bit harder. Perhaps more time practicing and less time typing might be sensible!

I'm going to get the heck off Stratmastah!'s thread now and go work at it - but thanks to everyone for encouraging advice!

:D :D - C

PS Rhumba, I can't yet find any footage on the net of Doyle Dykes doing the harping thing, which is a pity. (Anyone else have that Guitarist DVD?) But well worth just watching some of the YouTube vids of that guy at work anyhow. What a technique! Be fascinated to hear your impressions of him...


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Ok Ceri, I'll check that guy out he sounds very interesting.
I'll let you know when I've done that.
Thanks again.

Ok I'll get off this thread as well now. Sorry Stratmastah it's all yours again.... :D


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Just barely touch the string after you play it.

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