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Hey, im only 16 and i hope Obama can do all he says This is pretty cool but lets not dis Bush. He was not a horrible president, he was just president at a bad time for the country and world


i'm with you on that. i don't really like Obama, but he is our president and i'm obligated to respect him for that. Unfortunately, not many people did so for Bush. I am a republican, and extremely Conservative. I hope Barack will do a good job in his presidency, though i know he will probably push for abortion... :(

oh well.

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allstar619 wrote:
Hey, im only 16 and i hope Obama can do all he says This is pretty cool but lets not dis Bush. He was not a horrible president, he was just president at a bad time for the country and world


i'm with you on that. i don't really like Obama, but he is our president and i'm obligated to respect him for that. Unfortunately, not many people did so for Bush. I am a republican, and extremely Conservative. I hope Barack will do a good job in his presidency, though i know he will probably push for abortion... :(

oh well.

Obligated Respect is Obedience.

You're not at all Obliged to respect the President, quite the opposite. You have to Question Motives, Question Policy, Question Integrity, and Question Legacy. That's our Obligation as Voters. If he's going to, as you say, "Push For Abortion" he's going to pay the price for Ideology, Period.

You see, Abortion and guns are Wedge Issues. A Wedge Issue is one that is based on Ideology, and will never be solved. They are also issues that Obama hasn't even given a moments notice. I like that about him, he brushes BS off and focuses on Issues that matter to us, at least in Speech. Now he better deliver, or he'll lose all my respect.

Like I said earlier in the thread, For the first 100 days, any President deserves the Benefit of the Doubt. After that, they Require our Scrutiny. Our President Works For us, we don't work for him, and we should all be working in the best interest of the Country.

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There is a terrible mess that needs to be fixed, and I don't envy him at all.

I really hope for his success.


Agreed. Now let's see if the people in Washington can play nicely together to fix this mess. This rut sucks.

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j_rockr91 wrote:
allstar619 wrote:
Hey, im only 16 and i hope Obama can do all he says This is pretty cool but lets not dis Bush. He was not a horrible president, he was just president at a bad time for the country and world


i'm with you on that. i don't really like Obama, but he is our president and i'm obligated to respect him for that. Unfortunately, not many people did so for Bush. I am a republican, and extremely Conservative. I hope Barack will do a good job in his presidency, though i know he will probably push for abortion... :(

oh well.


i agree but his move on closing guantonomo and gitmo is stupid

and to the people who dis Bush, put it this way was there another terrorist attack on our country? and not to mention how much we've crushed Al Queda (i think that's the correct spelling)

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j_rockr91 wrote:
allstar619 wrote:
Hey, im only 16 and i hope Obama can do all he says This is pretty cool but lets not dis Bush. He was not a horrible president, he was just president at a bad time for the country and world


i'm with you on that. i don't really like Obama, but he is our president and i'm obligated to respect him for that. Unfortunately, not many people did so for Bush. I am a republican, and extremely Conservative. I hope Barack will do a good job in his presidency, though i know he will probably push for abortion... :(

oh well.


i agree but his move on closing guantonomo and gitmo is stupid

and to the people who dis Bush, put it this way was there another terrorist attack on our country? and not to mention how much we've crushed Al Queda (i think that's the correct spelling)

I agree with you this is a bad decision and it will come back to haunt Him the moment one of these individuals decides to walk into a crowd and do themself's in an take innocent people with them. Who would we blame for that when we had that person were they could do no harm and someone turned them free for political reason. A terrorest is the enemy not a private U.S. Citizen with the same legal rights. And if People think that doing the next 4 years that Al Queda and Irans Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are not going to expand there power and become more of a threat are kidding themselfs because they will take full advantage of the diplomacy that is about to come there way to buy there time. Seems sometime back in History we were using diplomacy with another and before it was done the World lost over 50 million and of that 418,000 were U.S. Military. Thats the future many of these people want now but with another outcome and the poeple that want to say, cant we just be Freinds are living a pipe dream. Human society just is not like that and never will be and the strong will survive just as in all species.

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How about we drop the e-chat about politics and concentrate our fine minds and souls on music and spiritual growth?


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How about we drop the e-chat about politics and concentrate our fine minds and souls on music and spiritual growth?

As long as it stays civil an occassional post as such is no harm. Some of what is being said is about the spiritual growth of a few by the means of terrorism and just sticking our fine minds and souls in the sand wont help. History is destined to repeat itself until such time people are shocked back into reality and have to react in a appropriate manner.

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Hey, im only 16 and i hope Obama can do all he says This is pretty cool but lets not dis Bush. He was not a horrible president, he was just president at a bad time for the country and world

Your smart for your years. You all can say what you want about Bush but he kept the country safe when terrorists did all they could to harm us. I lost 4 friends on 9/11, all firemen. Lets see what a man with zero experience is going to do with a cabinet thats a throw back to the Clinton era.


Did you ever stop to think that maybe a big part of the sudden terrorist problem...a problem this country never had internally to this degree before Mr. Bush, was due in great part to Mr. Bush and his foreign policy? More over, I would also have to ask how his illegal actions in office such as the wire tapping for example (which could easily be considered as a direct violation of the US Constitution) could possibly be considered as keeping the country "safe"? You are aware that thanks to Mr. Bush's Patriot Act that if you or your child takes out "the wrong books" from a public library that you, your child and your family could be labeled by the government as potential terrorists? In fact many people feel that Mr. Bush violated the Constitution as many as -4- times...and they wanted to impeach Clinton for a sexual indiscretion in the oval office??? I'm sorry my friend but Mr. Bush didn't keep us safe from anything. All he did was spread fear and paranoia about "terrorists" the way that leaders of our country did in the 60's with Communism. Sure, some folks think the McCarthy era was somehow a "good thing" but the general consensus is that it was a terrible tragedy for this country and a very dark period in this country's history...the same way I'm sure Bush will be remembered.

I could go on in -EXTREME- length over this issue and provide you with many facts but I have to agree that this forum should be kept to some type of guitar related discussion...but I also have to say that Obama or otherwise, I'm very glad Mr. Bush's reign of terror is over. Hopefully now he can be brought to justice to pay for his terrible crimes against this country and it's people.


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allstar619 wrote:
Hey, im only 16 and i hope Obama can do all he says This is pretty cool but lets not dis Bush. He was not a horrible president, he was just president at a bad time for the country and world

Your smart for your years. You all can say what you want about Bush but he kept the country safe when terrorists did all they could to harm us. I lost 4 friends on 9/11, all firemen. Lets see what a man with zero experience is going to do with a cabinet thats a throw back to the Clinton era.


Did you ever stop to think that maybe a big part of the sudden terrorist problem...a problem this country never had internally to this degree before Mr. Bush, was due in great part to Mr. Bush and his foreign policy? More over, I would also have to ask how his illegal actions in office such as the wire tapping for example (which could easily be considered as a direct violation of the US Constitution) could possibly be considered as keeping the country "safe"? You are aware that thanks to Mr. Bush's Patriot Act that if you or your child takes out "the wrong books" from a public library that you, your child and your family could be labeled by the government as potential terrorists? In fact many people feel that Mr. Bush violated the Constitution as many as -4- times...and they wanted to impeach Clinton for a sexual indiscretion in the oval office??? I'm sorry my friend but Mr. Bush didn't keep us safe from anything. All he did was spread fear and paranoia about "terrorists" the way that leaders of our country did in the 60's with Communism. Sure, some folks think the McCarthy era was somehow a "good thing" but the general consensus is that it was a terrible tragedy for this country and a very dark period in this country's history...the same way I'm sure Bush will be remembered.

I could go on in -EXTREME- length over this issue and provide you with many facts but I have to agree that this forum should be kept to some type of guitar related discussion...but I also have to say that Obama or otherwise, I'm very glad Mr. Bush's reign of terror is over. Hopefully now he can be brought to justice to pay for his terrible crimes against this country and it's people.


Jim


Bill Clinton was impeachd on Dec. 19,1988. And I seem to recall the worlds Terrorist activity did nothing but rise through out while the Clinton Administration was in office. 911 came about because of the poor and weak handeling of the Clinton's for 8 years. Many of the groups and countries understand nothing but power and the threat of destuction otherwise they will take full advantage of weak Diplomacy. Some of the cause of the Patriot act is the fact that our Country has such porous borders and lacksed immigration that just about anybody can get into the Country.

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Hey, im only 16 and i hope Obama can do all he says This is pretty cool but lets not dis Bush. He was not a horrible president, he was just president at a bad time for the country and world

Your smart for your years. You all can say what you want about Bush but he kept the country safe when terrorists did all they could to harm us. I lost 4 friends on 9/11, all firemen. Lets see what a man with zero experience is going to do with a cabinet thats a throw back to the Clinton era.


Did you ever stop to think that maybe a big part of the sudden terrorist problem...a problem this country never had internally to this degree before Mr. Bush, was due in great part to Mr. Bush and his foreign policy? More over, I would also have to ask how his illegal actions in office such as the wire tapping for example (which could easily be considered as a direct violation of the US Constitution) could possibly be considered as keeping the country "safe"? You are aware that thanks to Mr. Bush's Patriot Act that if you or your child takes out "the wrong books" from a public library that you, your child and your family could be labeled by the government as potential terrorists? In fact many people feel that Mr. Bush violated the Constitution as many as -4- times...and they wanted to impeach Clinton for a sexual indiscretion in the oval office??? I'm sorry my friend but Mr. Bush didn't keep us safe from anything. All he did was spread fear and paranoia about "terrorists" the way that leaders of our country did in the 60's with Communism. Sure, some folks think the McCarthy era was somehow a "good thing" but the general consensus is that it was a terrible tragedy for this country and a very dark period in this country's history...the same way I'm sure Bush will be remembered.

I could go on in -EXTREME- length over this issue and provide you with many facts but I have to agree that this forum should be kept to some type of guitar related discussion...but I also have to say that Obama or otherwise, I'm very glad Mr. Bush's reign of terror is over. Hopefully now he can be brought to justice to pay for his terrible crimes against this country and it's people.


Jim


Bill Clinton was impeachd on Dec. 19,1988. And I seem to recall the worlds Terrorist activity did nothing but rise through out while the Clinton Administration was in office. 911 came about because of the poor and weak handeling of the Clinton's for 8 years. Many of the groups and countries understand nothing but power and the threat of destuction otherwise they will take full advantage of weak Diplomacy. Some of the cause of the Patriot act is the fact that our Country has such porous borders and lacksed immigration that just about anybody can get into the Country.


Again I could go into extreme detail over several of these issues (including violation of freedom of speech, violation of freedom of religion, censorship of the press, etc) but this is simply not the proper venue for it. More over, despite the man's criminal acts in office, you have chosen to support this individual and some how seem to think that he was "good" for this country so NOTHING I say, regardless of fact or relevance will change your opinion. Certainly nothing that you say will change my opinion that Mr. Bush doesn't deserve the right to be called a man and that he certainly never should have been president of this country (and this opinion is not based on party...I do not affiliate myself with -ANY- political party...it's based on the individual). Ultimately only time will determine which of us is right. Again I'm simply glad his reign of terror is over.

Parade his banner around all you wish...this just isn't the place for it and I'm done.


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WOW...

I have followed this from the start, it lasted longer than I thought.
Its time to be done with this one


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WOW...

I have followed this from the start, it lasted longer than I thought.
Its time to be done with this one


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