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Yes - history in the making indeed. The media has crowned a king in the US for the first time - King Obama-lama-ding-dong the first.
So now, not only is our government corrupt, bought and paid for by special interest groups, but it has been proven that the sheeple can be effectively manipulated by the mass media.

George Orwell must be howling in laughter somewhere.
May God have mercy on our souls....

Now don't get me wrong - I wish him well. I swore a similar oath to "uphold and defend" - and I always will. And it's nothing personal against the guy - I just don't like some of the turn(s) of events.

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Yes - history in the making indeed. The media has crowned a king in the US for the first time - King Obama-lama-ding-dong the first.
So now, not only is our government corrupt, bought and paid for by special interest groups, but it has been proven that the sheeple can be effective manipulated by the mass media.

George Orwell must be howling in laughter somewhere.
May God have mercy on our souls....

I'm a Political Skeptic from way back, I've been complaining about Presidents since before I could vote. I can tell you that these kinds of comments hold no water until after the first 100 days of a Presidency. Even after Bush lost the 2000 Election but won the Presidency, I waited till he Screwed up his First 100 Days before calling him a Blithering Idiot.

Let's all give Our Commander in Chief the chance to "Do His Thang" and show the rest of the world we're willing to Grow out of Partisanship for Partisanism's sake.

And trust me, George Orwell wouldn't think the Modern Day Opinion Press was the least bit funny. But let me end by saying....

Good Luck President Obama, don't let us down or you're fired!

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WOW ……..I did not know there were so many liberals out there in fender land…….I believe we should have all voted for Ted Nugent……………… :D

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WOW ……..I did not know there were so many liberals out there in fender land…….I believe we should have all voted for Ted Nugent……………… :D

Obama won %53 of the Popular Vote and takes the Oval Office with a 79% approval rating. It should be pretty obvious that the response to Obama has nothing to do with Liberal or Consevative (neither of which is a bad word), but rather the need for a sane middle ground. No matter what any pundit says, Bush's Extreme Conservatism caused the ressesion. The problem was the extreme part, not the conservative part.

Yes, as a Voter I lay Blame on Bush, just as a Physician must blame the cause of a fever if he wants to cure it.
If Obama does the same thing, we have to be ready to Blame him. Not the Republicans that couldn't stop him. If he fixes everything, he gets credit. That's the simple way Democracy works

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See………that just baffles me……how on earth can you have a 79% approval rating and have not done a thing yet except empty promises of change……time will tell how the presidency will evolve I guess……..in the mean time; who the heck are they poling to get these numbers? Seems kind of one sided to me……..keep on jamming

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Troublecall wrote:
Yes - history in the making indeed. The media has crowned a king in the US for the first time - King Obama-lama-ding-dong the first.
So now, not only is our government corrupt, bought and paid for by special interest groups, but it has been proven that the sheeple can be effective manipulated by the mass media.

George Orwell must be howling in laughter somewhere.
May God have mercy on our souls....

I'm a Political Skeptic from way back, I've been complaining about Presidents since before I could vote. I can tell you that these kinds of comments hold no water until after the first 100 days of a Presidency. Even after Bush lost the 2000 Election but won the Presidency, I waited till he Screwed up his First 100 Days before calling him a Blithering Idiot.

Let's all give Our Commander in Chief the chance to "Do His Thang" and show the rest of the world we're willing to Grow out of Partisanship for Partisanism's sake.

And trust me, George Orwell wouldn't think the Modern Day Opinion Press was the least bit funny. But let me end by saying....

Good Luck President Obama, don't let us down or you're fired!

I was not happy with much of what Pres. Bush did because he became to Big Goverment for me. He ran as a Conservative but he governed like he was not on domestic policy. To many programs now we can't afford because of Goverment bloat. Even though I was not happy with him he did keep our Home Land safe. And when I hear people say Quote;Even after Bush lost the 2000 Election but won the Presidency; End Quote They did nothing but keep it from being stolen from them by the other party. The courts get used like they are a Branch of the Democratic Party we see it all the time in Maryland. The polls get kept open longer just in certain areas, the voter rolls forget to be purged in certain districts ( then the person who's job it was gets a appointment) Voting machines used that the University of Maryland said were ripe for fraud. We even had more votes cast then there were registerd voters in some districts. We had a number of machices that had vote already cast before the polls opened and it was said it was a mistake they forgot to clear the test votes that were cast on the machines. The only reason anything was said was they got caught.

The only thing we can hope for is that change does come not just talk. I have not been very happy with Obama's appointment's so we will see if it is politics as usual. And Joe Biden I can't say anything good about him but that I wish he was not given a choice to pick either office. Lets hope theres a middle somewhere in there and that it works and the elected people have no choice but to work together.
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You might want to remember that Bush was elected with a near 80% approval rating, too. I would vote for him again today if he could run but...


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cvilleira wrote:
FirstMeasure wrote:
Troublecall wrote:
Yes - history in the making indeed. The media has crowned a king in the US for the first time - King Obama-lama-ding-dong the first.
So now, not only is our government corrupt, bought and paid for by special interest groups, but it has been proven that the sheeple can be effective manipulated by the mass media.

George Orwell must be howling in laughter somewhere.
May God have mercy on our souls....

I'm a Political Skeptic from way back, I've been complaining about Presidents since before I could vote. I can tell you that these kinds of comments hold no water until after the first 100 days of a Presidency. Even after Bush lost the 2000 Election but won the Presidency, I waited till he Screwed up his First 100 Days before calling him a Blithering Idiot.

Let's all give Our Commander in Chief the chance to "Do His Thang" and show the rest of the world we're willing to Grow out of Partisanship for Partisanism's sake.

And trust me, George Orwell wouldn't think the Modern Day Opinion Press was the least bit funny. But let me end by saying....

Good Luck President Obama, don't let us down or you're fired!

I was not happy with much of what Pres. Bush did because he became to Big Goverment for me. He ran as a Conservative but he governed like he was not on domestic policy. To many programs now we can't afford because of Goverment bloat. Even though I was not happy with him he did keep our Home Land safe. And when I hear people say Quote;Even after Bush lost the 2000 Election but won the Presidency; End Quote They did nothing but keep it from being stolen from them by the other party. The courts get used like they are a Branch of the Democratic Party we see it all the time in Maryland. The polls get kept open longer just in certain areas, the voter rolls forget to be purged in certain districts ( then the person who's job it was gets a appointment) Voting machines used that the University of Maryland said were ripe for fraud. We even had more votes cast then there were registerd voters in some districts. We had a number of machices that had vote already cast before the polls opened and it was said it was a mistake they forgot to clear the test votes that were cast on the machines. The only reason anything was said was they got caught.

The only thing we can hope for is that change does come not just talk. I have not been very happy with Obama's appointment's so we will see if it is politics as usual. And Joe Biden I can't say anything good about him but that I wish he was not given a choice to pick either office. Lets hope theres a middle somewhere in there and that it works and the elected people have no choice but to work together.
For Americas sake

Like I said, 100 days and complain all you want, today he gets the benefit of the doubt. And as fas as
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And when I hear people say Quote;Even after Bush lost the 2000 Election but won the Presidency; End Quote They did nothing but keep it from being stolen from them by the other party.

That's like watching a stabbing in a bar and saying, "You can't blame the Stabber, security let him do it." Security may deserve a reprimand and maybe a refresher course on Situasional Awareness, but the Stabber has to face crimainal charges alone.

I fully agree that the Democrats should have stopped them from taking the election, but Bush/Cheney shouldn't have stolen it. The Democrats should have stopped the war, But Bush shouldn't have started it. The Democrats should have Impeached Bush, But Bush should have avoided needing impeachment.

Lets hope the Republicans are as powerless to stop Progress as the Democrats were to stop Recession.

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FirstMeasure wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
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Yes - history in the making indeed. The media has crowned a king in the US for the first time - King Obama-lama-ding-dong the first.
So now, not only is our government corrupt, bought and paid for by special interest groups, but it has been proven that the sheeple can be effective manipulated by the mass media.

George Orwell must be howling in laughter somewhere.
May God have mercy on our souls....

I'm a Political Skeptic from way back, I've been complaining about Presidents since before I could vote. I can tell you that these kinds of comments hold no water until after the first 100 days of a Presidency. Even after Bush lost the 2000 Election but won the Presidency, I waited till he Screwed up his First 100 Days before calling him a Blithering Idiot.

Let's all give Our Commander in Chief the chance to "Do His Thang" and show the rest of the world we're willing to Grow out of Partisanship for Partisanism's sake.

And trust me, George Orwell wouldn't think the Modern Day Opinion Press was the least bit funny. But let me end by saying....

Good Luck President Obama, don't let us down or you're fired!

I was not happy with much of what Pres. Bush did because he became to Big Goverment for me. He ran as a Conservative but he governed like he was not on domestic policy. To many programs now we can't afford because of Goverment bloat. Even though I was not happy with him he did keep our Home Land safe. And when I hear people say Quote;Even after Bush lost the 2000 Election but won the Presidency; End Quote They did nothing but keep it from being stolen from them by the other party. The courts get used like they are a Branch of the Democratic Party we see it all the time in Maryland. The polls get kept open longer just in certain areas, the voter rolls forget to be purged in certain districts ( then the person who's job it was gets a appointment) Voting machines used that the University of Maryland said were ripe for fraud. We even had more votes cast then there were registerd voters in some districts. We had a number of machices that had vote already cast before the polls opened and it was said it was a mistake they forgot to clear the test votes that were cast on the machines. The only reason anything was said was they got caught.

The only thing we can hope for is that change does come not just talk. I have not been very happy with Obama's appointment's so we will see if it is politics as usual. And Joe Biden I can't say anything good about him but that I wish he was not given a choice to pick either office. Lets hope theres a middle somewhere in there and that it works and the elected people have no choice but to work together.
For Americas sake

Like I said, 100 days and complain all you want, today he gets the benefit of the doubt. And as fas as
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And when I hear people say Quote;Even after Bush lost the 2000 Election but won the Presidency; End Quote They did nothing but keep it from being stolen from them by the other party.

That's like watching a stabbing in a bar and saying, "You can't blame the Stabber, security let him do it." Security may deserve a reprimand and maybe a refresher course on Situasional Awareness, but the Stabber has to face crimainal charges alone.

I fully agree that the Democrats should have stopped them from taking the election, but Bush/Cheney shouldn't have stolen it. The Democrats should have stopped the war, But Bush shouldn't have started it. The Democrats should have Impeached Bush, But Bush should have avoided needing impeachment.

Lets hope the Republicans are as powerless to stop Progress as the Democrats were to stop Recession.

But the Democrats don't blame the stabber they blame the knife manufacture. They don't blame the gunmen they blame the gun manufacture. Trade party line all day. I was not happy with Bush but come on impeach. Bill Clinton was impeached in December 1988 thats happend what two times in history. And you won't see Obama pulling as out of Iraq anytime soon. War is hell and I can say that seeing it first hand and you can't win any War if you try to do it in a civilized manner to please Politicians. If things stay as in the past it will be because people yacking the parting line instead of looking at the individuals. Be that Person a Republican or a Democrat. I have seen good and bad on both sides an I will admit that and its a shame others can not. I go with the person who has my beliefs and don't care what party they are in.

We have fun with stuff don't we Firstmeasure? Your good man and we share I Love in Guitars that we have in common My Friend.

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See………that just baffles me……how on earth can you have a 79% approval rating and have not done a thing yet except empty promises of change……


Yep, hasn't even ran a road side fruit stand. I am sure he can run a country. At least 79% of them thinks he can.
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ok so i'm a outsider and you can all tell me to eff off, i wont be offended. But i've a couple of points to make.
1 Bush had no opposition. Al Gore doesnt count as opposition to anyone but the elderly voters. Cmon with the majority of voters being either 'youth' or of the rock'n'roll or psychedelic era gore lost all votes except the oap's. Who'd vote for a bloke that lives with Tipper (the founder of the pmrc). Thats utter insanity asking for a labotomy.
2. Bush was a decent president in hard times. His whole 'why did it happen on my watch' statement is one i cant help but feel for him over. However his actions in the far east and regards G8/9 could of been better thought out. They did nothing for peace and pretty much guaranteed that in years to come either rightly or wrongly there will be a certain ammount of resentment from the far east. Those people dont understand democracy, they have never lived under it. It is not a gift that we have given them its no brave new world for them. they are all looking for the next dictator to rise.
Its like he saw the whole terrorist attack incidents as a chance to emerge a hero, and at the end of his rule was slapped in the face by the economic crisis that he couldnt fight.
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Bush did nothing to deserve that terrible thing that happened to America. But it will be a perpetual problem to us all. The western world as a whole has oppressed 3rd world countries, our economies are based on it. How many of us would wear nikes if they were made in Germany and encorporated a German's wage into the retail price. Our constant use of far east/ 3rd world labour as cheap labour is asking for trouble. Theres only so much some guy in india is going to take of looking at us living in relative luxury whilst he struggles to feed his family.
I firmly believe part of our economic downturn is because of the rise of china and korea in the worlds economy. Both England and the USA owe china a fair bit in the way of loans on the international money markets. Their rise to power could only affect us negatively. I would love to know what Obama has planned. A bloke with that smile must have something up his sleeve. Alas all we saw in the Uk was another feelgood figurehead elected with no policy bar 'its time for a change'. Hardly instilling confidence when you look at it coldly is it. I do sincerely wish Obama all the luck in the world. I've said before All eyes are on him, he's either gonna be superman or lex luthor. I cant help but feel that he's been set up for a fall, which is a real shame.

Anyway You can tell me why i'm wrong now, i wont argue. These are just the observations of a outsider and of little relevance.

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ok so i'm a outsider and you can all tell me to eff off, i wont be offended. But i've a couple of points to make.
1 Bush had no opposition. Al Gore doesnt count as opposition to anyone but the elderly voters. Cmon with the majority of voters being either 'youth' or of the rock'n'roll or psychedelic era gore lost all votes except the oap's. Who'd vote for a bloke that lives with Tipper (the founder of the pmrc). Thats utter insanity asking for a labotomy.
2. Bush was a decent president in hard times. His whole 'why did it happen on my watch' statement is one i cant help but feel for him over. However his actions in the far east and regards G8/9 could of been better thought out. They did nothing for peace and pretty much guaranteed that in years to come either rightly or wrongly there will be a certain ammount of resentment from the far east. Those people dont understand democracy, they have never lived under it. It is not a gift that we have given them its no brave new world for them. they are all looking for the next dictator to rise.
Its like he saw the whole terrorist attack incidents as a chance to emerge a hero, and at the end of his rule was slapped in the face by the economic crisis that he couldnt fight.
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Bush did nothing to deserve that terrible thing that happened to America. But it will be a perpetual problem to us all. The western world as a whole has oppressed 3rd world countries, our economies are based on it. How many of us would wear nikes if they were made in Germany and encorporated a German's wage into the retail price. Our constant use of far east/ 3rd world labour as cheap labour is asking for trouble. Theres only so much some guy in india is going to take of looking at us living in relative luxury whilst he struggles to feed his family.
I firmly believe part of our economic downturn is because of the rise of china and korea in the worlds economy. Both England and the USA owe china a fair bit in the way of loans on the international money markets. Their rise to power could only affect us negatively. I would love to know what Obama has planned. A bloke with that smile must have something up his sleeve. Alas all we saw in the Uk was another feelgood figurehead elected with no policy bar 'its time for a change'. Hardly instilling confidence when you look at it coldly is it. I do sincerely wish Obama all the luck in the world. I've said before All eyes are on him, he's either gonna be superman or lex luthor. I cant help but feel that he's been set up for a fall, which is a real shame.

Anyway You can tell me why i'm wrong now, i wont argue. These are just the observations of a outsider and of little relevance.


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Well yknow Excess i cant see much that the UK or USA has done for the world lately. I hope that changes.

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Well yknow Excess i cant see much that the UK or USA has done for the world lately. I hope that changes.


at least you have hope 8)

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