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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:26 pm
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I have an American Deluxe SSS with a Seymour Duncan Lil '59 in the bridge and I play through a Peavey Classic 30. I really like the overall sound I get with one exception. When I'm playing through the dirty channel I wish I could back off some of the highs especially when playing leads. They just seem to have a little too much bite. I don't have any effects pedals, I just play straight through the amp. I've experimented a lot with the knobs on the amp and with the tone pots on the guitar but I just can't seem to get what I want. Would an overdrive pedal help shape the tone or maybe compression? Or maybe something else? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Sorry about being such a tone newb.


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I would assume if you're getting too much treble, that you're rolling the treble all the way down and making up for it with the other EQ settings?

Still not what you want? That guitar and amp are both very good, and you should be able to get a lot of great tones from nothing but those two things, and no pedal toys to mess things up. I've gotten some great tones, in different styles, in various gigs with a MIA strat and a classic series amp.

Is there a certain person's tone you're trying to get and can't?

What volume are you doing this at? Gig levels? Practice levels? Whispering bedroom levels? All of which make a big difference.


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Just on the outside chance that the amp is reacting harshly to the guitar try lowering the treble side of the pickups. That could keep the clarity of the treble but balance the sound a bit more. Other than that if you like the amps basic tone but want to shape the treble a bit get a graphic eq pedal and plug it into the effects loop. Danelectro make the excellent fish and chips eq, I paid £20 for mine brand new. Other than that its going to be a overdrive pedal. The blackstar HT series are said to be great.

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This might be a stupid question, but is the tone knob actually connected to the replacement pup? I have seen several that were wired incorrectly.

An OD pedal will color your tone, not good or bad just a fact. If you want the ability to add an additional flavor, then I would go that route. If not, I like the idea of the EQ pedal too.

FWIW: I play a Keeley-modded Rt. 66. I have the tone on the compressor set for as bright as it'll go and the OD side fairly dark.

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This one issue I have is really quite small and might be considered nitpicking. I'm really satisfied with the setup I have, I'm just trying to tweak it a little. I'm not trying to copy anyone's sound, just trying to satisfy my own ear. Most of the feedback I've been getting has been to try an overdrive pedal to dial it in. I tried a Voodoo Lab Sparkle drive the other day at GC and thought it might do the trick, but I don't know for sure unless I take it home. I've also heard lots of recommendations for the Tube Screamer. There are just so many pedals out there....


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This one issue I have is really quite small and might be considered nitpicking. I'm really satisfied with the setup I have, I'm just trying to tweak it a little. I'm not trying to copy anyone's sound, just trying to satisfy my own ear. Most of the feedback I've been getting has been to try an overdrive pedal to dial it in. I tried a Voodoo Lab Sparkle drive the other day at GC and thought it might do the trick, but I don't know for sure unless I take it home. I've also heard lots of recommendations for the Tube Screamer. There are just so many pedals out there....


I applaude you for wanting to sound like yourself instead of (insert favorite player here). Yes there are many pedals our there, actually the majority of which are based upon a Tube Screamer circuit. I think the Sparkle Drive is a Tube Screamer circuit as well but with an added clean boost...

I have had many over the years and Tube Screamers are the best solution for me for Strats. For LPs, etc, I would use something different because of the inherent midrange of them.

Can you describe the type of tone you are looking for? Maybe then people can steer you towards a specific pedal.

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A drive pedal will give you some other options as will an eq pedal. You can try other pickup selector switch settings too.

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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:49 pm
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edzio wrote:
Would an overdrive pedal help shape the tone or maybe compression? Or maybe something else?


Personally, I think you are correct in your leaning towards compression. It sounds like you need some compression in conjunction with some para eq.

One suggestion that has worked for me is having a single multi-effects rack that allows me to tweak my tone. I use very little effects, depending on my amp and git for the bulk of my tone. But I use the rack to tweak in small shades of overdrive, chorus, eq, and delay. It works especially well as I have presets in the effects rack already set depending on which guitar I plug in (no need to change stuff all around as I go from a humbucking solid-body SG to a single-coil semi-hollow tele).

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edzio wrote:
I tried a Voodoo Lab Sparkle drive the other day at GC and thought it might do the trick, but I don't know for sure unless I take it home. I've also heard lots of recommendations for the Tube Screamer. There are just so many pedals out there....


There's a lot of good stuff. One good thing about GC is that you have 30 days to take it home and test it out. If you don't like it, bring it back for a full refund (I believe they still do that)


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edzio wrote:
This one issue I have is really quite small and might be considered nitpicking. I'm really satisfied with the setup I have, I'm just trying to tweak it a little. I'm not trying to copy anyone's sound, just trying to satisfy my own ear. Most of the feedback I've been getting has been to try an overdrive pedal to dial it in. I tried a Voodoo Lab Sparkle drive the other day at GC and thought it might do the trick, but I don't know for sure unless I take it home. I've also heard lots of recommendations for the Tube Screamer. There are just so many pedals out there....


Eq pedal, every day of the week then mate. Use it between the guitar and amp to shape the guitars tone, use it in a amps effects loop to shape the amps tone. Their a very good tool for re-shaping whilst maintaining the essential tone of your gear.

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Thanks for all the replies. I had thought that I eventually would use overdrive in conjunction with an EQ pedal and a compressor. It has also crossed my mind to invest in a multi-effects unit, but I'm a little afraid of the learning curve that might be involved. I realize that it sure would cover a lot of bases. If you had to choose which to invest in first (OD, EQ or compression) in what order would you buy?

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Can you describe the type of tone you are looking for? Maybe then people can steer you towards a specific pedal.


I'm just trying to round off the trebles on the dirty channel of my Peavey Classic 30. They just seem to have a little too much bite for me. They are a little thin to my ear. Just trying to get them a little thicker. Man, this stuff is hard to explain! :oops: :)


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edzio wrote:
Thanks for all the replies. I had thought that I eventually would use overdrive in conjunction with an EQ pedal and a compressor. It has also crossed my mind to invest in a multi-effects unit, but I'm a little afraid of the learning curve that might be involved. I realize that it sure would cover a lot of bases. If you had to choose which to invest in first (OD, EQ or compression) in what order would you buy?

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Can you describe the type of tone you are looking for? Maybe then people can steer you towards a specific pedal.


I'm just trying to round off the trebles on the dirty channel of my Peavey Classic 30. They just seem to have a little too much bite for me. They are a little thin to my ear. Just trying to get them a little thicker. Man, this stuff is hard to explain! :oops: :)


I wouldn't recomend Multi EFX yet. If you need all of the otehr effects that comes in the unit it would justifiable. But for just one or two "tweaks" they will color your tone too much.

I bought the Rt. 66 because it is OD and Compression together in one pedal.

And yes it is very difficult to explain tone....

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I have the Peavey Delta Blues amp that has the same drive channel as the classic 30 to me it is to thin sounding and a bit to heavy, so i bought a Ibanez Ts-9 to "spice" up the clean channel works like a charm! :D

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Get the eq pedal in the fx loop. Cut the highs and boost the low mids. That will sort out any thinness your amp suffers.

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