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The people who pushed this through in 1999 made their big money and ran leaving us to hold the bill. Look who was in office at that time and you will see who is to blame. Think about it.
Yeah, that Republican Congress was really a bunch of greedy bastids, weren't they!

Politicians all greedy but this was Clinton's baby. Gramm tried to change or stop it.
This is from CNN News

Democrats had charged that provisions of the bill championed by Gramm would have rolled back the reinvestment act, something the White House repeatedly said it could not accept. Full details of the agreement were not available, but it appeared both sides had given ground.
An administration official who told CNN of the compromise said the White House "didn't yield to everything Senator Gramm wanted on regulatory relief, but there were concessions made that facilitated that agreement."
Gramm agreed that banks should have a satisfactory reinvestment rating before being permitted to merge with insurers or securities companies. The administration accepted less-frequent compliance examinations for some small banks and some public disclosure of deals between banks and community groups.
The conference committee approved the outline of the deal without seeing the formal language. The bill must now be signed by the majority of the conferees before it can go back to the House and Senate and be sent to the president.
Leach said he hoped the final product would be ready by early next week and would be passed quickly.
Some Democrats said they were pleased with the framework that had been agreed on and hoped that the bank reform effort could finally go forward.

"Admitting that you have a problem is half the battle" they say. If after 8 years of Bush and Cheney's Bungling (6 years of which they had a Republican Congress) you can still say, "Clinton Did It", you are not facing the problem.

For arguments sake, lets say Clinton masterfully manipulated the economy to collapse as soon as Bush took office. This assumes that Clinton knew Bush was going to take the election with less than the popular vote, or he was gonna stick his Colleague Al Gore with a Bad Economy.

Lets say the Former was true, and Clinton Knew Bush was gonna steal the election so he sabotaged it, Why hasn't Bush been able to FIX THE DAMN ECONOMY IN 8 YEARS?? IS he truly that incompetent? If so, isn't it true that Republicans will reelect incompitance because their Party wants them too?

Blind Faith and Blind Loyalty got us in this mess, it's past time to get real and start thinking logicaly!

Both Clinton and Bush are to blame. The problem is that people want to blame one party and don't want to admit it is both parties and the way politics has become. Clinton put things in place the Bank Reform bill was one of the worst thing that could have been done and the Republican just caved in and went for there piece. Then bush came along and did nothing his agenda went in a direction that just help the economy slide in the hole.Economic decisions take years before the effects are felt I remember my Professor talking about this bill one night in class with us and can say some of us thought that it was going to be a boom for Banking and Investestment for at least 5 years but that it would fail because of the availibility to sustain it. You can not lend money to people who can not afford to pay it back and call it investing in redeveloping communities.

As Voters we are expected to Blame one Party. That's the Party In The Whitehouse, Period! I'd Love to go into, "Oh Yeah, Bush Sr. did this, and Reagan Did That, and Carter Did This and Really it's All FDR's Fault." But that's pointless.

It should be really easy for a Voter, when the Incumbent doesn't do his job, you vote against him. And trust me, if Obama doesn't Show signs of competence, I will Vote Against Him In 2012

We live in a Democracy. The Declaration of Independence states that it's Our Fualt, as Voters, when things go wrong. You must attach yourself to the blame. "Ya know, Fool me Once, Shame on.............Me?...You?.....Fool me Twi......I won't Be Fooled Again."

Yes but what it comes down to is a very large number of voters vote for who they are told to by commuties leaders making a living off of despair then others just vote party line. It is sad how uninformed so many voters are and the best people don't even want to run for office and who could blame them with what they are put through. I see no light at the end of the tunnel when people get named be Senator just because there neme is Kennedy or Jackson and that list just goes on in local communities. Heck I live in Maryland the One Party State for 50 plus years ( except 4 yr. of Repub. Gov. Ehrlich best 4 years since Democrat. Gov Schaffer) Nuf said Peace :wink:

They can go ahead and appoint Bullwinkle to the Senate as long as the Voters Vote them out come election time, assuming Bullwinkle is less qualified the official candidates. Also, I refuse to subscribe to the "Both Parties are corrupt so we might as well sit here comfortably and wait for the end to come in our sleep" theory. The parties are not made up of Politicians, but Voters. Voters can simply pay a little more attention to their local politics and we could make our representatives do our bidding.

Imagine if all the attention paid to the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, and WWE was paid to our Political System. Or if all the details retained by Americans about American Idol was resereved for local City and County Politics. What if there were collectible Trading Cards with all the Congressmen and Senators on them, with stats on the back like, BP (Bills Passed), MB (Measures Blocked), BS (no, it means Bills Supported), BO(no, not that either. Bills Opposed), LA (Lobbiests Appiesed), LT (Lies Told), TT (Truths Told), CPM (Campaign Promisses Made), CPB (Campaign Promisses Broken), EW (Elections Won), EL (Elections Lost), ERA (Earned Run Average or how many time they ran for Re-Election)

K, I'm done bein' serious :| :mrgreen:

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Well today was my last day at work. Im all done now! Im only 16 so its not that bad but man, times suck right now.


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Allstar i really feel for you mate. Your younger years are vital to forming your whole working ethos. 70-80 hour weeks were the norm for me throughout the majority of my workking life (yes i'm very greedy). Theres no way i would of been able to mentaly sustain that pace without the regime my Dad and Uncle put me through as a child.
Atleast youth is on your side, your very employable in that respect. You also will derive more enjoyment from time off whether its forced or not. I really do have a nagging feeling though that the youth of today is missing out. When i left school in the 80's our government had a scheme in place. The YTS or youth training scheme. Basically you got a apprenticship and the goverment paid you to do it. Well the wages weren't great, £30 per week. A lot of people moaned and groaned that it was slave labour and it was soon ended. Its a lot better than anything that the british goverment has to offer these days though. I walked out of school in the morning and was on a construction site that afternoon. Theres nothing for school leavers now, what hopes can our countries possibly have when they wont secure a future by looking after their youth. Its utter robbery, toil and sweat are the God given right of man.

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,,,,,,,,,and NAFTA was Clintons baby
Just for the record: The agreement was initially pursued by conservative governments in the United States and Canada supportive of free trade, led by Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, and the Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari. The three-nation NAFTA was signed on 17 December 1992, pending its ratification by the legislatures of the three countries. There was considerable opposition in all three countries, but in the United States it was able to secure passage after Bill Clinton made its passage a major legislative initiative in 1993. During his presidential campaign he had promised to review the agreement, which he considered inadequate. Since the agreement had been signed by Bush under his fast-track prerogative, Clinton did not alter the original agreement, but complemented it with the aforementioned NAAEC and NAALC. After intense political debate and the negotiation of these side agreements, the U.S. House passed NAFTA by 234-200 (132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voting in favor, 156 Democrats, 43 Republicans, and 1 independent against).[2] and the U.S. Senate passed it by 61-38[3] Finally, Clinton sanctioned the ratification in November of 1993.

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,,,,,,,,,and NAFTA was Clintons baby
Just for the record: The agreement was initially pursued by conservative governments in the United States and Canada supportive of free trade, led by Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, and the Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari. The three-nation NAFTA was signed on 17 December 1992, pending its ratification by the legislatures of the three countries. There was considerable opposition in all three countries, but in the United States it was able to secure passage after Bill Clinton made its passage a major legislative initiative in 1993. During his presidential campaign he had promised to review the agreement, which he considered inadequate. Since the agreement had been signed by Bush under his fast-track prerogative, Clinton did not alter the original agreement, but complemented it with the aforementioned NAAEC and NAALC. After intense political debate and the negotiation of these side agreements, the U.S. House passed NAFTA by 234-200 (132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voting in favor, 156 Democrats, 43 Republicans, and 1 independent against).[2] and the U.S. Senate passed it by 61-38[3] Finally, Clinton sanctioned the ratification in November of 1993.

Also, just for the record, that's not my quote. Jayro said that in response to something I said.

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So many people affected by this financial crisis we`re in. I hope everyone is back to work soon so your able to support your famlies and homes. Being retired I`m not affected but feel for the people who are. Good luck finding work, this may be an opportunity to seek a new career or start your own business.

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Thanks so much for all the response on this thread. I am so very sorry for those affected by job losses, me being in the same boat as you. Bt we can survive and always find a means to.

As for you guys here that are arguing political points as to why we are in such bad shape... I am learning much from you about political history. Thanks for keeping it nice and expressing valid points.

I am curious to see how many others have been hit so hard.

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I can skin a buck and run a trout line!
A country boy can survive!

I know not working is no joke but I thought I would try to lighten it up.
Hope you all find a job soon and I feel your pain my friends! :(


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I can skin a buck and run a trout line!
A country boy can survive!

I know not working is no joke but I thought I would try to lighten it up.
Hope you all find a job soon and I feel your pain my friends! :(


Well, then at least some of us out of work could eat if we hooked up with you. Thanks for that.

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I've got a freezer full and you are all welcome! BTW the economy is not as bad in our state so it may be worth a look . Online at least. Good luck and come on down! :wink:


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FirstMeasure wrote:
Also, just for the record, that's not my quote. Jayro said that in response to something I said.

Shoot! My bad -- please accept my apology!! Tried to fix!
I find it confusing wading through quotes of quotes of quotes. :roll:

Hey fhopkins - can there be a kettle o' crawdads at yer fish fry?? Mmmmm! Them's good eats!!

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Fhop. I just recieved a acceptance for American citizenship, despite my past misdemeanours. Can i camp out in your back garden whilst i look for a job? :D

Hang on you got crocodiles around there havent you? :shock:

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Yes, you're all welcome and we can definitely do a crawfish boil and other cajun/south Louisiana delights!! :) 8)


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Fhop. I just recieved a acceptance for American citizenship, despite my past misdemeanours. Can i camp out in your back garden whilst i look for a job? :D

Hang on you got crocodiles around there havent you? :shock:


Alligators round here, good fried alligator tails!! I even have electrical and water hook-ups on one side of my property! :wink:


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Also, just for the record, that's not my quote. Jayro said that in response to something I said.

Shoot! My bad -- please accept my apology!! Tried to fix!
I find it confusing wading through quotes of quotes of quotes. :roll:

Hey fhopkins - can there be a kettle o' crawdads at yer fish fry?? Mmmmm! Them's good eats!!

No problem, man.

And all this Crawdad talk's gettin' me hungry. We got some of the best right here in So-Cal if you know where to throw your trap. Claws big enough to dip in Butter Sauce.

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