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Post subject: The Bolt-Neck Obsession
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:07 pm
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just wondering why fender never ventured into glue-neck territory. i know i prefer a bolt, but some gibson snobs say that bolt necks are only for cheapo instruments, which is NOT TRUE. so anyway, why has fender never experimented after all these years?

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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:10 pm
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My opinion on this is ,if it isn't broke, then why mess with it? To hell with the Gibson snobs!

right on, right on.

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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:21 pm
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They have done a few custom models with glued in necks. The Merle Haggard Tele is one example.

As for snobs, there was a time when most cheap guitars were made with bolt on necks. Back then (say the 60s and 70s), this junk gave Fender an undeserved bad name because people compared all cheap guitars with the high end models (Guild, Gibson and a few others) and the bolt on neck was one of the more obvious features. They didn't separate the concept from the construction quality.

The same could be said about pre-fab houses (they can be reasonable or they can be crap), Ford vs. Toyota (major quality difference anymore, no, but the image sticks) and so on.


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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:47 pm
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According to a great article by Wayne Greenwood, this is part of the genius of Leo Fender's approach to guitar-building:

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One key to the Stratocaster's success was that the design took into account the needs and desires of professional guitarists. Not being a musician himself, Leo relied upon input from guitar players to guide the design of the instrument. As a result, it fulfilled the musicians' goals of playability, comfort, and good sound, while being easy to repair and/or customize. Benefits and features of the 1954 Fender Stratocaster included:

- An ergonomic design with forearm and tummy bevels and better overall balance that made the guitar more comfortable to play

- A "drop-in" pickguard and pickup assembly that made the Stratocaster substantially easier to mass produce, repair, and customize

- A bolt-on neck that was less expensive to manufacture (the necks of one-piece guitars sometimes warped during production and the whole instrument would need to be discarded) and easier to service

Pretty smart guy, that Leo.

Check out the whole article, "What We Can Learn from the Fender Stratocaster," at http://www.cooper.com/journal/2001/08/what_we_can_learn_from_the_fen.html

[And, yes, I know I've linked to this article before, but it's just that good! :)]

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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:24 pm
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I always was on the opinion that Fender is all utility. Not saying they're bad toned. They sound great! But have you ever heard of anybody absolutely trashing a Fender like a Gibson or any other guitar? I mean, if the neck becomes too damaged, you just replace it (be it a Fender neck or a Warmoth neck).


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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:39 pm
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You can buy Korean made Fender Telecasters that are set neck. There is one around now that has a Mahogany body and a Mahogany set neck and two humbuckers that sells in the 650. range. They have also made some Custom Shop ones.

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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:43 pm
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who in their right mind would want a set neck and all that glue getting in the way of the wood? Theres a simple answer to set-neck-snobs. The tone of gibson instruments is down to materials used, woods, pickups, bridge and finish. Its why the studio's dont sound like customs. If you really want quality tone resonance from the neck then neck through is the only way to go.

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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:55 pm
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nikininja wrote:
who in their right mind would want a set neck and all that glue getting in the way of the wood? Theres a simple answer to set-neck-snobs. The tone of gibson instruments is down to materials used, woods, pickups, bridge and finish. Its why the studio's dont sound like customs. If you really want quality tone resonance from the neck then neck through is the only way to go.


what the $@!& is wrong with some of you people on the fender forum???
"gibson snobs"??? "glue getting in the way of the wood"??? you obviusly have no #$@*&!% idea what you're talking about. first of all glue does not get in the way of how the wood sounds, and all gibson guitars sound good. they are very high qaulity instruments. im not saying fenders sound bad, they have awesome tone too. but to say that gibsons suck because they have set necks is just plain retarded.
second of all, i have seen lots of people saying "gibson snobs". what the hell is up with that you guys? you think that just because people with gibsons have more expensive instruments they are snobs??? i use the gibson forum alot more then the fender forum because there are alot more fender snobs then there are gibson snobs, thats just a plain fact. i can only think of one person on the gibson forum who is annoying and no one like, and he is just a troll who is there for entertainment. he doesn't even play guitar! no one else there is going around calling peole who use fenders snobs or "fender junkies" or something. in fact most of them like fender guitars as whell as gibsons.
i don't know why so many people here on this forum seem to hate so much but i'm tired of it. i think thats why i stopped using the fender forum for the last few months and moved to gibson. i thought maybe things would be different now but i see there is still the same kind of $@!& going on as before. i guess i'll just have to see how long i can stand it...


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Crikey. Don't feel that way, man. There's lots of us here who like Fenders, Gibsons and a whole lotta others too, and say so whenever appropriate. People post pictures of their Les Pauls here and I can't remember the last time anyone bothered to object to it.

Different guitars, different construction, different sounds. Variety is good!

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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:51 am
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nikininja wrote:
who in their right mind would want a set neck and all that glue getting in the way of the wood? Theres a simple answer to set-neck-snobs. The tone of gibson instruments is down to materials used, woods, pickups, bridge and finish. Its why the studio's dont sound like customs. If you really want quality tone resonance from the neck then neck through is the only way to go.


what the $@!& is wrong with some of you people on the fender forum???
"gibson snobs"??? "glue getting in the way of the wood"??? you obviusly have no #$@*&!% idea what you're talking about. first of all glue does not get in the way of how the wood sounds, and all gibson guitars sound good. they are very high qaulity instruments. im not saying fenders sound bad, they have awesome tone too. but to say that gibsons suck because they have set necks is just plain retarded.
second of all, i have seen lots of people saying "gibson snobs". what the hell is up with that you guys? you think that just because people with gibsons have more expensive instruments they are snobs??? i use the gibson forum alot more then the fender forum because there are alot more fender snobs then there are gibson snobs, thats just a plain fact. i can only think of one person on the gibson forum who is annoying and no one like, and he is just a troll who is there for entertainment. he doesn't even play guitar! no one else there is going around calling peole who use fenders snobs or "fender junkies" or something. in fact most of them like fender guitars as whell as gibsons.
i don't know why so many people here on this forum seem to hate so much but i'm tired of it. i think thats why i stopped using the fender forum for the last few months and moved to gibson. i thought maybe things would be different now but i see there is still the same kind of $@!& going on as before. i guess i'll just have to see how long i can stand it...


I find most of what you say about this forum is absolutely not true! I'm offended! There are a few on every forum that love to argue and put other peoples guitars down. That is the exception here and not the norm. If the Gibson forum is so friendly then spend your time there but don't come here and stir up trouble. Go with peace and come back with peace! :wink:
And before you say it.. I own both brands and have visited the wonderful Gibson forum that you say is so welcoming!


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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:22 am
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My main issue with Gibson and/or Set/Glue on necks is that usually if I pay over $1000 for something, it has screws in it to keep things together. I would not purchase a house that used only some sort of set joints or glue to keep something important like the roof attached to my house. I would not purchase a car that has something important like the engine held into place using some adhesive. Yes, I realize there are screws on other parts of the guitar, but to me, the neck is about as vital as an engine in a car, and I have a hard time dealing with a glue-on or set neck guitar for $1000 or more, because glue does not cost that much, and how much does one make in labor for applying glue and then attaching some clamps...maybe I need to work at the Gibson factory or something and cash in...and then maybe I could meet Keifer Sutherland when he gets another signature guitar :twisted: Thats my other issue with Gibson...Keifer Sutherland signature model was about as dumb as this robot guitar...I wonder if there is a software crash or issue, would you still be able to tune or use your robot guitar?

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bowlfreshener wrote:
I wonder if there is a software crash or issue, would you still be able to tune or use your robot guitar?

Even more troubling: When Skynet becomes sentient and the machines rise up, will the robot guitars turn against us? It's a chance I'm not willing to take! :shock:

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By the way, I think "The Bolt-Neck Obsession" would be a great band name!
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bowlfreshener wrote:
I wonder if there is a software crash or issue, would you still be able to tune or use your robot guitar?

Even more troubling: When Skynet becomes sentient and the machines rise up, will the robot guitars turn against us? It's a chance I'm not willing to take! :shock:


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