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Just picked up a TS9 from eBay. I'll try the TA chip for a bit, I guess eventually I'll take the soldering iron out and put a JRC in there.

I would definitely do that! Makes a lot of difference in tone!



So I've heard. Does anyone have 2 TS in their chains? I'm thinking of picking up another one if I come across cheap but I'd like to know if it's worth it before I get stuck with one I dont use.


Trey Anastasio from Phish uses 2 TS9's.


SRV reportedly used two TubeScreamers--either two TS808 or two TS9 or a combination thereof, depending on what source you read.

If you watch his live stuff on DVD you can see TS808's, TS9's, and even TS10's in his pedal chain. And an ever evolving collection of Amps in his back line. The most amazing thing is his '82 Montereux performance. He's only using one Amp, a Music Man combo.

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Great question.
I used to use a Boss overdrive pedal that I ran straight into my amp, an old Randall that sounded crappy and needed the help.
For my birthday my wife bought me a Marshall MG50 DFX, and it sounded so good dirty that I got rid of my pedal.
ALSO, it sounded so good clean that I realized just how badly I was playing. Using the Boss and keeping it hot all the time made me a sloppy player.
Lately I've really been focusing on getting back into good playing shape.
THis thread has given me a couple of ideas for when I decide to add some extra goodies to my rig.

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If you watch his live stuff on DVD you can see TS808's, TS9's, and even TS10's in his pedal chain. And an ever evolving collection of Amps in his back line. The most amazing thing is his '82 Montereux performance. He's only using one Amp, a Music Man combo.


I have read (from multiple sources) that at the 1982 Montereux Festival show Mr. Vaughan was using two blackface Twin Reverbs in leiu of his normal double 1964 blackface Vibroverbs setup (he couldn't afford the extra baggage charges to get his amps over there, just his axes).

Twin Reverbs, being what they are (higher wattage, cleaner sound) took a lot more cranking than his Vibroverbs to break up; if you watch the video you'll see that the stage crew had wrapped the mic'd Twin Reverb amps with some type of quilted cover in order to muffle the stage volume a bit.

This was the show that he was infamously boo'ed at because of the loudness--the crowd was expecting low-key jazz or acoustic blues and they were kicked in the teeth with the "Screw you, we're from TEXAS***" blues/rock that the esteemed Mr. Vaughan became famous for (and eventually/unfortunately spawned a million Vaughan-abees. I have always loved Stevie's playing, his singing, his swagger and attitude, his choice of instruments, effects and amps. But for God's sake, I wish everybody would quit trying to lift his songs note-for-note; that misses the point of what he did and how he played...but that is another rant for another forum).

Considering where the Music Man was posistioned on-stage, he was probably using it as a stage feed for the band (and himself) to hear his guitar parts. The Twin Reverbs were further back on SRV's right side on the stage, mic'd under their infamous quilts (probably being fed to the mixing board). On both the CD and DVD, you're probably hearing the Twins a lot more than the Music Man.

Considering the Music Mans that I have seen and played through, that amp alone was probably pretty dang loud--it looks like one of the 100W models (maybe a single 15" speaker?).

Either way, it was a successful failure--they were not embraced completely by the Swiss crowd, but because of this performance they were noticed by David Bowie (who hired SRV to play on the "Let's Dance" album) and got the free studio time from Jackson Browne that became "Texas Flood".



***Thanks and apologies to Ray Wylie Hubbard for the use of his great line!

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ALSO, it sounded so good clean that I realized just how badly I was playing. Using the Boss and keeping it hot all the time made me a sloppy player...


That's a good awakening. A lot of plays do or have (myself included) gone through this. Playing on an amp that is less forgiving can really make you focus on your playing more. And that's a great thing.

Even though it might sound good semi-sloppy with higher gain, once you get your technique very clean and precise, it will make your higher gain playing sound that much better.

I've always felt that a high-gain amp is an instrument on its own. You have to know how to play on it, how to mute strings that you normally wouldn't have to worry about, how to properly palm mute, and how to precisely hit each note so they all sound perfect. It's also an extremely expressive beast. The downside, is that its also easier to hide behind that, and easier to sound "good" to your audience by playing some things that are just "ok" otherwise.


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Nope, just an excelllent cord.

Good way of keeping one honest about the quality of sound being generated.


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If you watch his live stuff on DVD you can see TS808's, TS9's, and even TS10's in his pedal chain. And an ever evolving collection of Amps in his back line. The most amazing thing is his '82 Montereux performance. He's only using one Amp, a Music Man combo.


I have read (from multiple sources) that at the 1982 Montereux Festival show Mr. Vaughan was using two blackface Twin Reverbs in leiu of his normal double 1964 blackface Vibroverbs setup (he couldn't afford the extra baggage charges to get his amps over there, just his axes).

Twin Reverbs, being what they are (higher wattage, cleaner sound) took a lot more cranking than his Vibroverbs to break up; if you watch the video you'll see that the stage crew had wrapped the mic'd Twin Reverb amps with some type of quilted cover in order to muffle the stage volume a bit.

This was the show that he was infamously boo'ed at because of the loudness--the crowd was expecting low-key jazz or acoustic blues and they were kicked in the teeth with the "Screw you, we're from TEXAS***" blues/rock that the esteemed Mr. Vaughan became famous for (and eventually/unfortunately spawned a million Vaughan-abees. I have always loved Stevie's playing, his singing, his swagger and attitude, his choice of instruments, effects and amps. But for God's sake, I wish everybody would quit trying to lift his songs note-for-note; that misses the point of what he did and how he played...but that is another rant for another forum).

Considering where the Music Man was posistioned on-stage, he was probably using it as a stage feed for the band (and himself) to hear his guitar parts. The Twin Reverbs were further back on SRV's right side on the stage, mic'd under their infamous quilts (probably being fed to the mixing board). On both the CD and DVD, you're probably hearing the Twins a lot more than the Music Man.

Considering the Music Mans that I have seen and played through, that amp alone was probably pretty dang loud--it looks like one of the 100W models (maybe a single 15" speaker?).

Either way, it was a successful failure--they were not embraced completely by the Swiss crowd, but because of this performance they were noticed by David Bowie (who hired SRV to play on the "Let's Dance" album) and got the free studio time from Jackson Browne that became "Texas Flood".



***Thanks and apologies to Ray Wylie Hubbard for the use of his great line!
But the Music man is miced, and the Twins appear to be off. To my ear, it sounds like one amp, I don't think he's runnin through those twins. I watched it before I read any rewiews, and I thought it was a very small sect that was booing. You'll see a few hippies having a great time in front of the booers, this may have escalated their jeers as well. Also, I think the Booing is overstated since at the very end most of the audience cheers. The booers obviously had an effect on SRV and the boys though. Of course I could be wrong.

I've been into SRV since Couldn't stand the Weather came out in '84. I watched his career unfold (I even noticed when he changed the neck on his #1, years later I found out the old one was broken by a peice of the set falling on it), I read every interview, watched every PBS special and learned every note Lonnie Mack, Albert King, and Jim Henderix played so I could capture a little of SRV's thunder. I have yet to read an compilation or Biography. Their all written by music journalists that only heard of him two years after his death. I'm one of those you cheekily dismiss as a "Vaughna-be", which is a very common reaction to major chages in tradition. SRV Changed the way the Blues are played, he didn't just play them different. In 50 years, people are gonna be putting his name with Robert Johnson, BB King, and John Lee Hooker as those who shaped American Blues.

P.S. No Blues should be played note-for-note. I agree with you on that point.

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I use a Ibanez TS9 with the Analogman Silver Mod. It was $75 for the mod, and it was completely worth it


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I use a boss GT-8 with the OD1 distortion effect mostly and as an overdrive I kind of use the preamp tube inside my amp cranked all the way :)


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