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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:03 pm
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So you're saying that You and the State of Wisconsin know what's best for these silly people's Son. You even seem to have uncovered the parents deep seeded plot to pocket his college fund. They struck me as very caring and resposible parents because they regognized his abilities and desires, and nurture them while keeping him clothed, fed and educated. How did you arrive at your opinion of them, misanthropy?

And just when did letting a child live his or her dream, and guarentee them a college education, become exploitation.


:arrow: I know that hanging out in bars late at night is not appropriate for an 8 year old regardless of parental consent or presence. Kids do a lot of growing and their brains develop during REM sleep, the kid needs to be in bed.
:arrow: practicing 2-3 hours a day and gigging at night (with 2 bands) will definately have a negative impact on the childs academic performance. Especially once he is in middle and high school.
:arrow: The parents lament that they have no money to pay for a lawyer to challenge the law and yet there are some fairly high dollar guitars proudly displayed for the cameras. If they care soooo much, sell a few to cover the lawyers fees. (oh, what's that...you don't care THAT much okay)
:arrow: The kids dream of playing is NOT being stifled. He just can't play in bars (and his parents can't get paid).
:arrow: Little T-Man can perform at the park, perform at the street fair, he can perform in the front yard, he can perform in the school auditorium. The kid is still able to live "his dream" of playing and performing.
:arrow: Post his little butt all over YouTube for exposure. I-Tunes will even let you sell your original music through them.

The parents issue is . . . they aren't getting paid any more.

Plus I hate to say it but the kid isn't really all that "gifted". Prodigy is a pretty strong word to be throwing around. He's good for an 8 year old, but after practicing 2-3 hours a day for 3 years, he'd better be. I've only seen the brief clip on the news blurb but repetitive licks and grimacing is ok but not a prodigy.

:arrow: He's alowed to hang out in the bars, just not play. Irony or just reactionary politics?
:arrow: I practiced that much (and more) as a youth, and I would party every weekend for more than a couple hours a night, and graduated High School with a 3.5 average. So he could easily pull it off giging. And as a matter of fact, we had a couple giging band in my school back then, and all of the members graduated. Music doesn't stifle learning, in fact studies have proven that it stimulates brain activity and helps the learning process.
:arrow: If I sold all my really nice guitars, I still couldn't pay for a lawyer to fight city hall. Same goes for them.
:arrow: You have to go where your audience is, you can't expect them to come to your front yard. That's just silly.
:arrow: You tube is great for exposure, but it doesn't replace giging for local exposure.

Really, your opinion of his abilities are beside the point. I can't stand Miley Sirus, but that doesn't stop her parents from exploiting her. Or is this class distintion in action?

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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:24 pm
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Well Bro I guess your 3.5 gpa didn't extend to spelling (go back and check your post). :wink:


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I don't think that he should be anywhere near the inside of a bar at 8 years old. The fact that he is playing in it is of no concern to me.

If all he wants to do is play guitar, it shouldn't matter where he does it. I'm pretty sure that he didn't wake up one day at 8 years old and decide to contact a booking agent. Someone put that idea in his head or did it for him.

He's a little kid, not a trained monkey. Any adult with his level of playing skill would not get the same level of attention. Because he's only 8 years old it's a novelty act.

Regardless of anything else, him getting paid to play violates child labor laws therefore it is illegal. If he is this marvelous talent, he will still have it and be able to use it at 17 when it's legal. No harm, no foul (but then he won't be a little kid and no one will give a hoot)

My opinion of his skill level? It's a fact my man, he is not "all that". I also don't think that Miley Cyrus would have much of a career without the "Disney machine" behind her but that is a story for another post.

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mthorn00 wrote:
Well Bro I guess your 3.5 gpa didn't extend to spelling (go back and check your post). :wink:

I fully support your right to a different opinion than mine. It's one of the great things about this country.

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I don't think that he should be anywhere near the inside of a bar at 8 years old. The fact that he is playing in it is of no concern to me.

If all he wants to do is play guitar, it shouldn't matter where he does it. I'm pretty sure that he didn't wake up one day at 8 years old and decide to contact a booking agent. Someone put that idea in his head or did it for him.

He's a little kid, not a trained monkey. Any adult with his level of playing skill would not get the same level of attention. Because he's only 8 years old it's a novelty act.

Regardless of anything else, him getting paid to play violates child labor laws therefore it is illegal. If he is this marvelous talent, he will still have it and be able to use it at 17 when it's legal. No harm, no foul (but then he won't be a little kid and no one will give a hoot)

My opinion of his skill level? It's a fact my man, he is not "all that". I also don't think that Miley Cyrus would have much of a career without the "Disney machine" behind her but that is a story for another post.

Heh, I was in a hurry :oops: too much partying on the weekends, I shoulda been giging.

Anyway, I can totaly picture him telling his parent, "I wanna play my guitar in front of people for money," and his parents contacting an agent. And isn't putting thoughts in their head what parents are required to do, or it that the TV's job?
Children are allowed to work, and get paid, as long as its under a certain number of hours and the childs grades are 3.0 or better (at least that's how it was here in Ca. 15-20 years ago). I'm sure there are states with stricter policy, but a state that allows accompanied minors into Bars, allows them to drink, but does not allow them to perform, isn't looking out for anyones best interest.

In Ca. a minor can't be in a Bar if it doesn't serve food, period. If it does serve food, the child must be accompanied by a parent. The child can't sit at the Bar and can't stay later that 10pm. Under no circumstances is that child allowd to consume alcohol!

This Wisconsin Law allows a minor in a Biker Bar to drink after midnight, but he can't play his guitar at the Red Robin at 6:00 PM.

One question about child exploitation, is a Paper Rout exploitation?

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ian sheridan wrote:
When I was 8 years old it transpired that I had the incredible ability to urinate as high as an eight foot ceiling. It was a gift. Much like the 8 year old guitarist, I was banned from performing my special talent in bars and clubs. I was crushed. I felt devistated that I couldn't share my gift with the world. Sadly, I haven't widdled since that day.

A lesson there for everyone.


Ian,

I am sure that one day you will widdle again. Sorry to hear that someone stiffled your unique gift. Try not to hold it in, it could cause prostate issues.

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