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Hope you're feeling better though, health-wise at least ...

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I'm not surr any system works particularly well. Here in the UK we have the NHS which is supposed to give medical care to everybody. We pay 11% of our earnings to cover the cost. Trouble is you need to know well in advance when your going to be ill. It can take between 12 - 18 months to see a'specialist' to diagnose your condition and then if not life threatening maybe another 12 months for treatment.

The only option is to take out medical insurance over and above what you already pay to get immediate care. Still with the same restrictions as in USA


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I'm not surr any system works particularly well. Here in the UK we have the NHS which is supposed to give medical care to everybody. We pay 11% of our earnings to cover the cost. Trouble is you need to know well in advance when your going to be ill. It can take between 12 - 18 months to see a'specialist' to diagnose your condition and then if not life threatening maybe another 12 months for treatment.

The only option is to take out medical insurance over and above what you already pay to get immediate care. Still with the same restrictions as in USA

Sounds like what they want for us here in the U.S. Feee health care for all bring it on Mr. President Elect I make my appointment to see the Doc in 2010 now :x This is a sore subject with me because we elect people who want this stuff they have in countries as described above when it shown to have failed, Instead of trying to find ways to make it affordable we are just trying to find a way to give it to all. Show me one Goverment controled program that does not cost a hole lot more then they planned and who ends up paying for it. The key word here is (affordable) to those who want it but not free (Free=Hand out) :twisted:
( Handout= paid for by legal working class) :twisted:

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Sorry to hear about your troubles, Chet! I hope that things get better, or at least moderate soon.

I spent 9 years in the military as a Medic, then 11 (military again) as a Registered Nurse. I did 9 years overseas and a tour in Iraq. I've also done a few years in between as a RN in the civilian sector. I'm probably as qualified as anyone to say that I'm just as frustrated as anybody, about a system that doesn't work properly or as intended. I'm retired now, so now I have to navigate pretty much the same system (Tricare and co-pays, premiums, etc) that everyone else does. I've been healthy as a horse for years (still am, thankfully), and it is definitely something on my mind, that the day when I get really ill is when I'll find out what my coverage is good for, and what it's not good for. And I probably won't be in any condition to argue much when that happens.

BTW, when I say 'retired' I MEAN 'retired'. As in no more Nursing for me. You'd be surprised how many Health Care providers change careers when they get half the chance, regardless if it's a great paying job or benefits or whatever. Yeah, I know that it's a good opportunity, but 20+ years was enough for me, I've done my time. No more frustration for me, at least not on the provider end. I'm done.


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Chet,
I just wanted to say how sorry I am to hear this, I have a feeling I know how you feel about losing your Gibby. Your health has to come first though, I speak from experience. You've lost your Gibby, you will replace it someday. You lose your health, and it's gone for good. Again, I speak from experience. Stay healthy Chet, and good luck.


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jaiyenyen wrote:
I'm not surr any system works particularly well. Here in the UK we have the NHS which is supposed to give medical care to everybody. We pay 11% of our earnings to cover the cost. Trouble is you need to know well in advance when your going to be ill. It can take between 12 - 18 months to see a'specialist' to diagnose your condition and then if not life threatening maybe another 12 months for treatment.

The only option is to take out medical insurance over and above what you already pay to get immediate care. Still with the same restrictions as in USA


In fact in the UK we spend around a modest 7% of GDP on healthcare, up from 6% ten years ago. As against 12% in Denmark, for instance: I've seen their system at close quarters and don't notice a difference. ZZDoc might be able to tell us what the comparable figure is in the US.

I recently got amulanced to hospital, spent a few nights in an extremely well run department, saw highly regarded neurologists over the weekend, had a CT scan and then an MRI within hours of arrival with a my non-emergency case, and have had a followup appointment within two weeks and will receive further scans in months to come - all for what seems very likely to turn out to be a false alarm. No waiting lists, no "rationing", no insurance bills, and the only money I had to pay was £1.50/$2.25 a day for TV, movie and internet access at my bed.

In fact, almost every member of my family has had their life saved and/or hugely extended by excellent NHS care. I don't do politics on this website - but I'll go to the barricades to defend my NHS.

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Ceri wrote:
jaiyenyen wrote:
I'm not surr any system works particularly well. Here in the UK we have the NHS which is supposed to give medical care to everybody. We pay 11% of our earnings to cover the cost. Trouble is you need to know well in advance when your going to be ill. It can take between 12 - 18 months to see a'specialist' to diagnose your condition and then if not life threatening maybe another 12 months for treatment.

The only option is to take out medical insurance over and above what you already pay to get immediate care. Still with the same restrictions as in USA


In fact in the UK we spend around a modest 7% of GDP on healthcare, up from 6% ten years ago. As against 12% in Denmark, for instance: I've seen their system at close quarters and don't notice a difference. ZZDoc might be able to tell us what the comparable figure is in the US.

I recently got amulanced to hospital, spent a few nights in an extremely well run department, saw highly regarded neurologists over the weekend, had a CT scan and then an MRI within hours of arrival with a my non-emergency case, and have had a followup appointment within two weeks and will receive further scans in months to come - all for what seems very likely to turn out to be a false alarm. No waiting lists, no "rationing", no insurance bills, and the only money I had to pay was £1.50/$2.25 a day for TV, movie and internet access at my bed.

In fact, almost every member of my family has had their life saved and/or hugely extended by excellent NHS care. I don't do politics on this website - but I'll go to the barricades to defend my NHS.

Cheers - C

Hay ceri how are you doing?
Health care in the United States is provided by many separate legal entities. The U.S. spends more on health care per person than any other nation in the world.[1] Current estimates put U.S. health care spending at approximately 15.2% of GDP, second only to the tiny Marshall Islands among all United Nations member nations.[1] The health share of GDP is expected to continue its historical upward trend, reaching 19.5 percent of GDP by 2017.[2] In 2007 the U.S. spent $2.26 trillion on health care, or $7,439 per person.[3]

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Imagine what it would be if we gave it free to all through Goverment over site. Just go up more and more Goverment makes everything cost more when they put there thumb print on it:shock:

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hey Chett i know how you feel i'm still trying to recover from my daughters surgery finacally . It is tough but without the union bennys it probablly never would have happened atall so i'm thankfull for what i have it betteer then her suffering


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i agree with snowys views ,still sorry about your guitar


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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:11 pm
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CAFeathers wrote:
I just need to vent a little.

I am absolutely disgusted. I just had to put my Gibson CS-336 up for sale to pay medical bills that my insurance would not cover.

Why even have insurance if it won't pay the entire bill?

I sure hope that the U.S. does something about the lousy Medical Coverage for it's citizens.
The U.S. spends millions/billions of dollars helping other countries and can not even take care of it's own.

Time to wake up U.S.!


Amen CAFeathers :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

We are one of the worst modern nations in regards to fair health coverage.

I have not seen 7K in health coverage in my lifetime.


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CAFeathers wrote:
I just need to vent a little.

I am absolutely disgusted. I just had to put my Gibson CS-336 up for sale to pay medical bills that my insurance would not cover.

Why even have insurance if it won't pay the entire bill?

I sure hope that the U.S. does something about the lousy Medical Coverage for it's citizens.
The U.S. spends millions/billions of dollars helping other countries and can not even take care of it's own.

Time to wake up U.S.!


Amen CAFeathers :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

We are one of the worst modern nations in regards to fair health coverage.

I have not seen 7K in health coverage in my lifetime.

Yes but toinght in the city of Baltimore there will most likely be 3 people shot and in a year there will be over 1200 and 350 will die. I would be willing to bet 90% of them have no health care ins. and they will get 10's of thousands of dollars in medical care and will not pay a dime. Thats just one city and those hospitals recoup that cost from who? :shock: And that is just one small aspect of the problem. You would not beleive the percentage of people being seen in some of the cities hospitals that are on Goverment assistance. Wheres that money come from? The last study showed there are just over 60,000 drug addicts in Baltimore a city of 600,000 thats 10% of residents and the amount of money it cost for there health care is crazy and they are not paying for it and it is thousands a year. Thats just one more aspect. The middle class working joe gets nothing but has to pick up the cost. Someone like Chet who has contributed to society most his life and paid his bills where is his break, Its time for Politician's to do something for our vote the ones who carry the load not just the ones who just add the weight.

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Chet,

I agree with you. I work in the healthcare field and I see people having to choose between getting care they need or food on the table. I think if you have medical insurance it should help you more. My family and I have some medical problems, and I know what we need to be healthy; however, I too have to decide between food or meds/procedures.

If you ever need to vent, we at the forum are here for you.

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Hi Chet, it's sad to see things like this happening. We don't know each other but I can assure you that I feel bad about your healthcare insurance experience and the loss of your guitar. I hear your frustration and you did the right thing to vent here. I am sure that more than anywhere else, a lot of people here understand your misfortune. Guitars are more than "objects" to us. They carry our memories and allow us to express ourselves when we bond with them and because of that, they mean a lot to us. See you around.

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cvilleira wrote:
The U.S. spends more on health care per person than any other nation in the world.[1] Current estimates put U.S. health care spending at approximately 15.2% of GDP, second only to the tiny Marshall Islands among all United Nations member nations.[1] The health share of GDP is expected to continue its historical upward trend, reaching 19.5 percent of GDP by 2017.[2] In 2007 the U.S. spent $2.26 trillion on health care, or $7,439 per person.


Hi cvilleira. Interesting - I wonder what that figure is if you strip out the cost of insurance company shareholder dividends, admin, and the legal expenses and consequent insurances people have been talking about on this thread?

Very tricky comparing one country to another because most of us don't have detailed experience of more than one system, and we are usually not comparing like with like. But we all do it anyway!

On a related matter: you have spoken of wanting to move to Ireland after retirement. Do you happen to know how that will work for you as regards healthcare? Will you automatically plug straight into the Irish system or are there other provisions you have to make?

That's sheer curiosity on my part and none of my business so don't reply if you don't want to. Just interested in the light of experience various American friends have had moving between the US and the UK over the years.

Cheers - C


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I'm hoping that zzdoc will chime in on this, but then again, I don't believe he gets too involved with the financials and the health care providers?

I think he's busy getting things packed for Mrs zzdoc's trip to Florida...or she's left...and he's got his amp cranked and enjoying his guitars! 8)

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