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Post subject: Interested in hearing my music?
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:06 am
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Hey fellow Fender freaks! Here is a link to a site that contains a bunch of my recordings that I and a partner have been working on for the last while;

http://www.reverbnation.com/dirtbeggers

I hope you enjoy!


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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:53 am
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where can i get a download, i love it.


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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:08 am
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Dirt Beggars !!

I listened to "Open Highway" and "Tonight (Don't Mess Around)", blues and bluesrock, respectively. Good stuff! Band sounds tight, and the lead vocals are very good. Kind of reminds me of the Black Keys.


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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:44 am
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Hey Man !
Some great stuff you put together there. A bit like ZZ meets Skynyrd meets Savoy Brown.
Love the vocals, perfect voice for that genre. I hope it goes well you deserve to.
Good luck.


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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:22 pm
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Thanks a bunch guys! We are still working on getting it available for download. So for now, don't be shy. Visit the site as much as you like, we appreciate all comments and critisism. Thanks again!


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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:23 am
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Hi folks. Just wanted to say thanks for visiting our page!


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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:07 am
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Hey, Murray: you don't post that often, but when you do it is always well worth looking at. I'm eight tracks in and really going for it so far!

I very much like the sparse arrangements: so easy to overdo the production when you're alone with a multitracker for long hours, but you're avoiding that. As Rhumba said the vocal style really suits the flavor of the music. The numbers are great, too. Nicely varied writing but kept sensibly within an overall direction. I have an idea I'd have an excellent evening listening to this stuff live in a packed club somewhere!

Only significant criticism: I feel I'm hearing Mr Dyck dragging on the beat sometimes, particularly in Tonight and Run Home. He needs to put a "point" on it. I wonder if that is a symptom of a drummer trying to play with a click track that he can't hear properly? Something to do with his monitoring anyway, I suspect. Now you are going to tell me those are programmed drums (but I don't think so...).

I bet lots of folks here would be very interested to hear anything you feel like telling us about your setup, recording gear, mics, yadda yadda... (I thought the drums were well recorded, BTW, which ain't easy: console him with that.) Some very nice guitar sounds: I'm ticking the influences off my fingers - more than you listed I rather think.

Excellent: good on yer! Keep it coming!!

Cheers - C


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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:29 am
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M. Brown wrote:
Thanks a bunch guys! We are still working on getting it available for download. So for now, don't be shy. Visit the site as much as you like, we appreciate all comments and critisism. Thanks again!


I would love to feature your stuff over on Blues Republic - any way I can get the mp3's or at least links to them?

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:50 pm
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Hi Ceri,

Thankyou for you detailed comments and well voiced critisism. I've always mentioned to Chris when he drags things a bit, but because we are just messin' around we do the drums live and generally look at a good take as a good take- even though sometimes there are some faults within. Part of it is the way we track the drums, part of it is probably like you said about a hard to hear click, and part of it is musicianship. But he is getting better and when I pressured him to practice a bit more, things began to improve.

As for recording; I used a BR-600 for all tracking, a Mackie 1604 VZL Pro to run our Apex condensor vocal mic & to mix the seven CAD drum mics before sending them two track stereo into the BR. The drums were recorded on two kits- Yamaha Stage Customs & a late 70's Pearl kit. The bass guitar tracks are a direct result of the BR's amp modeling- I basically plugged either a Yamaha RBX170 or Squier Pbass into the unit and tracked the lines that way. Cheap but effective. The guitars used range from- Squier BSB Tele & VM Tele, MIM Deluxe Player's Strat, MIM Std Tele, MIM Std Strat, MIM Classic 50's Strat, AM Dlx Ash Tele, Gibson LP, SG, and ES135, Tokai 335, Epi Sheraton II, Fender F-15 and Larrivee D-03 acoustics. I had a '59 Dano DC for a while but unfortunately never got to do any tracks with it before I sold it. All acoustic tracks were recorded with the stereo mics that are built into the BR, and electric guitars were amplified by either a Fender Blues Jr or a Traynor YCV50 micced with a cheap Apex instrument mic, again cheap but effective. At times I used the BR's amp modeling and effects to do some leads, but basically every thing you hear is me using various guitars plugged straight into one or both of the amps I mentioned, occasionally using a modded Boss super overdrive or wah. I used the BR's mastering tool kit to smooth out some drums, and some entire song tracks had a bit of overall compression added, but nothing really major. Tracks were then exported to a PC and some editting was done to remove count ins and other tid bits. But what you hear on the recordings was done with about $1000 worth of gear, some used and some new. Overall the investment is minimal, and fun had maximum! I hope this covers everything, feel free to ask me anything more!

Tomk62,

I would love to have this happen. I think the best way to go about this is for you to send me a PM with your mailing address so I can send you hard discs of all the music. Then you could use whatever you want on the Republic site. Thanks a bunch!


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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:02 pm
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Apparently pm's are not enabled here. I have signed up over at reverbnation and emailed you there ...

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:20 pm
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Thanks Tom. I got your message.


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Hey, thanks for all the gear info. I must say, your BR-600's onboard mics are doing surprisingly well for acoustic sounds, aren't they?

What a list of guitars! Are they all yours - or do you borrow them evenings from the shop you work in? (I'm remembering that right, aren't I?)

If your drummer's timing issues are indeed coming from difficulty hearing a click track then I have plenty of sympathy for him. (No doubt for ear protection reasons) they never make those click tracks loud enough: if you are playing drums to one then you often can only actually hear the click when you stray off the beat.

I've tried all sorts of solutions to that. Setting up a more complicated programmed drum pattern to use as a metronome is one way - I believe that can be done inside your BR-600, no? Yet somehow even that can be hard to lock in with. When recording drums, guitars and bass on my own I find building a scratch track of bass and simple guitar to then lay the drums on top of is the best way to get started. But of course that drains all spontaneity out of the thing.

In your situation I guess just going for live takes without a metronome might be the best way. For some reason it is much easier for a drummer to groove with instruments than a sterile click. One more thing: I notice your guy's timing is best on the quicker sections. It seems his natural pulse places him more in Stewart Copeland territory than Nick Mason. When you write for a band those kind of things sometimes need to be borne in mind.

And to be clear about it, only one and half of your tracks had significant timing issues: the rest seemed pretty much OK in that department.

Let's not get this out of proportion. They're great tracks and as demos to show around there's something going wrong if they don't take you to the next base very comfortably indeed!

Great job - great music!

Cheers - C


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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:54 pm
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Hi C,

We've had really good results with the onboard mics, but I think any new acoustic ideas will likely be done with a condensor. If anything just for comparison sake.

The only guitars that I mentioned that I didn't or don't own currently are the Squier Pbass and the Affinity Tele. The rest are or were mine. I still have my LP, SG, and ES135, MIM Std Strat, MIM Classic 50's Strat, AM Deluxe Tele, and I forgot to mention the old Vantage VP795 that I used on a few tracks. The Squier bass and Tele belong to my drummer/partner and have turned out to be quite good instruments for the money. My Fender and Larrivee acoustics are staying with me too. Every guitar I have now is a keeper, I need or want no more...oddly enough!

Thanks again for all of your input. I appreciate it all.


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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:08 am
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I'd like to thank everyone again for visiting and listening to our music, especially those who signed up on reverbnation and became fans! We have a song available for download at Blues Republic. Thanks to TomK for inviting us!


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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:37 am
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That was good stuff. Reminds me of a local band I remember playing around Central Florida back in the late 60's called Tin House. You have a good southern rock sound with a touch of blues in there also, I like it. Sounds like you have some influences from Grand Funk in there along with hints from Albert King as well.

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