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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:42 pm
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You remember Buddy Rich??????????? You ARE old. Next you'll be talking about Gene Krupa!


Remember him? Man, I saw him live a good eight times, two or three of those sitting not six feet in front of the band stand. That's how I know what it's like to be tied to the tracks with an express train screaming towards you: now that's real musical excitement.

Saw Louis Bellson, too, but never Krupa: I'm old - but not that old!

And I've not only seen Billy Cobham live, I've also sat next to him at a little table through two shows of Dave Weckl's band. And I've seen Steve Smith a few times - hey, where's the drummers' Forum on this website?

Let's talk paradiddles!

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Buddy Rich was one of my heros when I was learning to play drums. I even remember having an album of Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa having a drum battle.

And I have paradiddles burned permanently into my brain from doing them so much.

I never remember getting complaints about playing my drums too loud when I was playing in bands. I did prefer playing with lighter sticks than most. I used 7A sticks with nylon tips.

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Buddy Rich was one of my heros when I was learning to play drums. I even remember having an album of Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa having a drum battle.


Ah, the drum battle, yes. I have that one on CD - and LP...

But hey, Syeklops, I'm actually on a Buddy Rich album. There's one (which finally got reissued quite recently) called Man From Planet Jazz - and I'm there in the audience! Now I'm not claiming to have contributed very much to the final cut - but it probably still rates as the pinnacle of my recording career!

It's not the best Rich album by a little way, but arguably the last of the good ones.

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Ceri wrote:
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Buddy Rich was one of my heros when I was learning to play drums. I even remember having an album of Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa having a drum battle.


Ah, the drum battle, yes. I have that one on CD - and LP...

But hey, Syeklops, I'm actually on a Buddy Rich album. There's one (which finally got reissued quite recently) called Man From Planet Jazz - and I'm there in the audience! Now I'm not claiming to have contributed very much to the final cut - but it probably still rates as the pinnacle of my recording career!

It's not the best Rich album by a little way, but arguably the last of the good ones.

Cheers - C


So......if I go out and buy that album......and I'm listening for you....should I be listening for some guy shouting out, "Go, Buddy Go!" ?

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So......if I go out and buy that album......and I'm listening for you....should I be listening for some guy shouting out, "Go, Buddy Go!" ?


Haha! Actually, on that tour Buddy had the terrible lapse of taste to have placed a syndrum to the left of his hi-hat (if you remember electronic syndrums - shudder). I think there are exactly four notes on that drum throughout the album, and my contribution was to blush audibly for the sheer embarassment of the thing.

Syeklops, you undertand that there's several thousand guitarists looking at this thread right now and wondering what the flip is going on, here on the Fender website? We may not escape with our lives...

:lol: :lol: - C


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My drummer gets a little loud in a small practice area, We are investing in some Hearos

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Drummers are like guitarists: some of them finesse the instrument. some of them beat the instrument into submission.


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+1 to all the suggestions.
Definately wear good ear protection.
A little room dampening goes a long way.


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-Have a serious talk with him about it.

-Give him an early Christmas gift of a DVD on playing with "dynamics."

-Try recording (nothing fancy) so that he understands how loud he is playing.

-Rent/borrow an electronic kit and YOU control the volume.

-If all of the above fails, get another drummer that knows and uses good dynamics.

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Great advice from all of you. Ear plugs do seem like a good idea, however it doesn't solve my initial problem: being able to hear myself and other bandmates rather than just my loud drummer.

Miami Mike's right. The only real way out of this is to have a talk with him, because it really is a huge nuissance. We'll also look into buying him a DVD lesson regarding dynamic and stick control.

Anyways, thanks a billion.


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Ceri wrote:
Speaking as someone who was (and still is) a fairly quiet drummer before he became a fairly quiet guitarist - perhaps a different drummer is what you need.

Seriously though, practice pads just ain't the thing for playing with others; they are for solo practice of sticking, wrists and such.

See if you can get your drummer to use rods for group practice. Or at least some much lighter sticks. Vic Firth's Jazz 8Ds are a really nice balanced stick that will take things down a bit from the tree trunks he is probably using. He won't like that idea, but tell him a player of some 35 years experience suggested it and it really is OK. His wrists are not going to forget how to hold gigging sticks if he also plays with light ones sometimes.

Though a really good drummer should be able to play quietly with any kind of stick. I seem to remember that was on page one of the Buddy Rich Snare Drum Rudiments book. Now that ages me!

Cheers - C


Enough said...I agree with Ceri.


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One last idea. Get one of those electric dog shock collars. One with the remote control. Put it on your drummer.....if he plays at the right volume, don't do anything. When he starts to get too loud, push the button on the remote and give him a "reminder". After a few of those, he'll adapt to the proper sound level.

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One last idea. Get one of those electric dog shock collars. One with the remote control. Put it on your drummer.....if he plays at the right volume, don't do anything. When he starts to get too loud, push the button on the remote and give him a "reminder". After a few of those, he'll adapt to the proper sound level.
:) :D :lol: :lol: :D :) 8)

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If any of you are good at swinging a hammer build him his own little iso room.

Or you can invest in those plexiglas iso stage drum shields.

If that's not an option go down to GoodWill and pick up a bunch of old cheap mattresses and build a wall around him.
Go for the mattresses with the least amount of stainage, of course! :lol:

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A drummer who is also a decent musician has the dicipline the play the right things at the right volume. :wink:

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Shoot him...just joking. Seriously, drummers do not have to beat the drums as loud as they can. Talk to him. If you are having a hard time playing over him, replace hin or buy a bigger amp. A Half-stack or a Full-stack amp will do the job. Of course, you may have neighbor problems at that point.

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