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Post subject: Help me organizing my effects chain!!!
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:43 am
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Hi guys! I need some tip to organize my pedal board. My pedals are: dunlop cry-baby, boss sd-1 jhs fool drive mod, carl martin plexitone, baja tech das fuzz ge, homebrew electronics germania (it is a treble booster), mxr phase 90, boss dd3, maxon cs550(stereo chorus) and ibanez lu20 true by-pass tuner. Could you help me? Do you think I need other pedals? My guitar is a fender telecaster american series with standard pup at the bridge and a seymour duncan '59 humbucker at the neck; my amp is a fender hot rod deluxe. Thx for your help. PS Sorry for my terrible english but I'm italian.

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I found this on another forum. I hope it helps.



Personally, I find it helpful to think of effects pedals as being in the following categories:


Preamp-type effects
Noise Gates
Volume-based effects (Slow)
Time-based effects
Volume-based effects (Fast)
Post-production effects
Preamp-type effects. These pedals establish your basic sound, and include Compressors, Clean Boosts (if you have a tube amp), Overdrives, Distortions, Fuzzes, and Preamp modeling pedals. They're usually placed in order of the amount of harmonic distortion they are introducing into your signal (e.g., Boost before Overdrive before Distortion before Fuzz). This is HIGHLY subjective, though, as some fuzzes sound better before distortion pedals and vice versa. Some people like to have an EQ pedal here as well. If you consider that a Wah pedal is merely an EQ filter pedal, you can see that they usually fall in this category as well. Whether you use it before or after your preamp pedals is really a matter of personal taste. IIRC, early non-master volume tube amps had their tone circuits before the amp's preamp section, while many newer master volume tube amps and nearly all solid state amps have post preamp EQ sections these days.

Noise Gates. These pedals act as noise filters to limit the amount of line noise, static, or hum you've created up to this point from getting to your amp. They're especially helpful when you're playing heavy metal with a Strat and a cheap cable under florescent lights. ;-)

Volume-based effects (Slow). Lots of people like to put volume pedals before their delays and other time based effects. This allows them to have cool fade-outs and smooth violin-like sounds when they play. Volume pedals tend to sound really good here. Some people like to put their volume pedals before anything else in the chain, but I find that hum, static and line noise brought about by the preamp pedals can still make it's way to the amplifier that way. Also, if volume changes occur too fast at this part of the signal chain, it can create a lot of sonic clutter - especially if you're using a lot of other effects down the audio chain. That's why Tremelos generally don't sound too good early on in the chain.

Time-based effects. These effects are typically added to add width, depth, and length to your basic sound. They typically sound more natural AFTER a distorted guitar signal, which is why a lot of players prefer to put these types of effects in the effects loops of their amps - after the preamp circuits. Also, it sound most natural to have shorter delay times followed by longer delay times followed by the most ambient effect of all - reverb. Typically, this means Flanger (1-10ms), Chorus (20-30ms), Phaser (>50ms sweeps), Delay (>50ms), and then Reverb last. That said, these are definately not hard & fast rules - just ask The Edge.

Volume-based effects (Fast). Tremelo is a great volume-based effect, but it often moves so fast it blurs your sound if it comes before your delays & reverbs. Many people find that using it after their time-based effects allows it to sound better.

Post-Production effects. If you still need to tweek your sound, an EQ pedal can help here a lot. A Parametric EQ can be used to remove 60 Cycle hum, for example, while a Graphic EQ can be used to add low end to your final tone. A clean boost can work here as well but will serve a completely different purpose than the one in the preamp section of your chain. Here a small volume boost can be used to make up for the signal loss associated with the large amount of cable you've probably used to route through all of your pedals.

Using the above logic, one way to arrange pedals might be like this:

Guitar > Compressor > Wah > EQ > Clean Boost > Overdrive > Distortion > Fuzz > Noise Gate > Volume Pedal > Flanger > Chorus > Phaser > Short Delay > Long Delay > Reverb > Tremelo > EQ (if still needed) > Clean Boost (on a very modest setting) > Amp.

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I don't think I've ever seen that explained better than Chet's post. Not in books, magazine Q&As: nowhere. Nevermind bookmarking it; that's one to print out.

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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:34 am
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Thx everybody for your help especially cafeathers. Do you think that the scheme flanger-chorus-phaser-delay should be used also if I put these effects in the effect loop?


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gaex86 wrote:
Thx everybody for your help especially cafeathers. Do you think that the scheme flanger-chorus-phaser-delay should be used also if I put these effects in the effect loop?


Yes, I do.

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Good rundown on pedal chains!

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Or to put it simply, dirties nearest the guitar, wobblies nearest the amp.

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ian sheridan wrote:
Or to put it simply, dirties nearest the guitar, wobblies nearest the amp.


I just love the way people from the UK word things!!!!!!!

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ian sheridan wrote:
Or to put it simply, dirties nearest the guitar, wobblies nearest the amp.


I just love the way people from the UK word things!!!!!!!


Gawd bless you Guv!

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Thx for all your tips CAFeathers. I got just another question (sorry if I'm boring you!!!). Do you think I can put everywhere my pedal tuner? I would have put it in my effects loop. Do you think is the same at the beginning, in the middle or at the end?


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CAFeathers wrote:
I found this on another forum. I hope it helps.

Guitar > Compressor > Wah > EQ > Clean Boost > Overdrive > Distortion > Fuzz > Noise Gate > Volume Pedal > Flanger > Chorus > Phaser > Short Delay > Long Delay > Reverb > Tremelo > EQ (if still needed) > Clean Boost (on a very modest setting) > Amp.


Only thing I'd change is putting Wah first (before compressor), Reverb last (before Amp).

This is a post worthy of being a "sticky". Thanks for finding this, CAFeathers.

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