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I guarantee you there is NO one here that if given the chance, would not make a deal with Wal-Mart to sell a record. Any one who has ever tried to make a living at playing music knows that it is a tough, tough thing to try and do. Calling a band a "corporate" sell out is just musical snobbery if you ask me. The whole point of being a professional, famous touring/recording band is..........TO MAKE MONEY......period. Forget all the pseudeo artistic indignation here, it's all a lot of garbage.
Yes you're right. Every musical artist in the world has a singular focus of making money and will play anything they have to to do it. There are no principles among musicians. You have it nailed man. Are you a shrink? You have an astute grasp of the musicians psyche. :roll:


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Has AC/DC reached the level of products/marketing that Kiss hit?
Not even close. BUT it is starting to get out of control


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Has AC/DC reached the level of products/marketing that Kiss hit?
Not even close. BUT it is starting to get out of control


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What I am saying is when you get to that level, it's all about making money. Otherwise, they would be playing, along with other monster acts, small clubs and tiny venues that pay nothing, or giving concerts for free. Instead they play stadiums and monster venues, why.......for the MONEY!!!!! Who are you trying to kid? As soon as a band goes HUGE, GIANT, they cease with the artistic babble.


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What I am saying is when you get to that level, it's all about making money. Otherwise, they would be playing, along with other monster acts, small clubs and tiny venues that pay nothing, or giving concerts for free. Instead they play stadiums and monster venues, why.......for the MONEY!!!!! Who are you trying to kid? As soon as a band goes HUGE, GIANT, they cease with the artistic babble.
They play large stadiums because alot of people want to see them. Britney Spears still plays large stadiums. Is she a brilliant artist? Theres nothing wrong with having huge crowds if you are writing "legit" music. Pink Floyd sold out stadiums for decades. Point to one album that Pink Floyd "sold out" on. You can't. They did it the RIGHT way. There IS a difference. Maybe your mind is consumed by the almighty dollar, but others arent neccesarily so.


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I don't see them as being a sellout, but they are smart business people. What better way to get your brand out and have your music heard than to market it through Americas #1 retailer. There are other groups doing the same thing. I went to J.C. Penney the other day and I saw Led Zep t-shirts along with many others. With all the free music downloads going on these days it can be tough for even the great bands to make money on their music. Why penalize them when they are just adapting to the business climate.


Hell, even Kholes (spelling?) has Fender shirts! It doesn't make them a sell out though. AC/DC is playing their cards smart by selling their stuff to the most popular store, Wal*Mart.


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Saying AC/DC are sell-outs is like saying the Stones are the Spice Girls.


The Stones are a bunch of washed up "hacks". Talk about sell outs, they lost any hint of relevance 20 years ago!

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[They play large stadiums because alot of people want to see them. Britney Spears still plays large stadiums. Is she a brilliant artist? Theres nothing wrong with having huge crowds if you are writing "legit" music. Pink Floyd sold out stadiums for decades. Point to one album that Pink Floyd "sold out" on. You can't. They did it the RIGHT way. There IS a difference. Maybe your mind is consumed by the almighty dollar, but others arent neccesarily so.]

Hmmm.....so what in your infinate wisdon is "legit" music, only music you like? Stars play huge stadiums because of the MONEY pal. You should get real. And as for Pink Floyd, "Dark Side of the Moon" is about as commercial an album as you can get; I'm sure you've seen t-shirts and hats with the Floyd prism on them. What is this "RIGHTway" you mention? Oh yeah, since you are a member of these boards, you have noticed that David Gilmoure has put his signature on a Special Edition Stratocaster right? Nope, no money involved in that, right. Methinks you , bol316, may be an idealogue who has absolutely no clue what the music BUSINESS is all about. If YOU were right, Metallica never would have brought suit against Napster and company and George Harrison never would have been sued by the author of "He's so Fine." "Nuff said.[/quote]


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Saying AC/DC are sell-outs is like saying the Stones are the Spice Girls.


The Stones lost any hint of relevance 20 years ago!


Tell that to the millions of people that still love them and attend their shows to this day. That's more relevant than you, me, or anyone on this forum could even fathom. :roll:

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[They play large stadiums because alot of people want to see them. Britney Spears still plays large stadiums. Is she a brilliant artist? Theres nothing wrong with having huge crowds if you are writing "legit" music. Pink Floyd sold out stadiums for decades. Point to one album that Pink Floyd "sold out" on. You can't. They did it the RIGHT way. There IS a difference. Maybe your mind is consumed by the almighty dollar, but others arent neccesarily so.]

Hmmm.....so what in your infinate wisdon is "legit" music, only music you like? Stars play huge stadiums because of the MONEY pal. You should get real. And as for Pink Floyd, "Dark Side of the Moon" is about as commercial an album as you can get; I'm sure you've seen t-shirts and hats with the Floyd prism on them. What is this "RIGHTway" you mention? Oh yeah, since you are a member of these boards, you have noticed that David Gilmoure has put his signature on a Special Edition Stratocaster right? Nope, no money involved in that, right. Methinks you , bol316, may be an idealogue who has absolutely no clue what the music BUSINESS is all about. If YOU were right, Metallica never would have brought suit against Napster and company and George Harrison never would have been sued by the author of "He's so Fine." "Nuff said.
[/quote] OK let me explain this to you in more detail so you understand. I am referring to the MUSIC itself. Pink Floyd never stooped to the level of having to write song upon song about balls, drinking, sex and hell. As I said before, appealing to the Beavis & Buttheads of the world. They wrote music THEIR way and became popular doing it. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. AC/DC knew that if they just wrote lyrics with those subject matters and really simple music they could sell. Explain to me what is so profound about that MUSICALLY. Because apparently I am missing something.

David Gilmour made a signature Strat because he has loved them for decades and fans asked him to. Do you really think he stands to make millions and millions from the deal? I am pretty sure Fender was probably the only real offer he got because of his name being synonymous with Fender. But wait, let me guess, AC/DC did a Wal-Mart exclusive deal because they are huge fans of Wal-Mart right? Come on. I really have no idea where you are going with the Metallica thing. They turned into Nickelback years and years ago in order to sell records. Sellouts. You also have to remember that not all bands have COMPLETE control and/or knowledge of every piece of merchandise being sold in their name and WHERE its being sold. I cant speak either way for Pink Floyd there. But I do know they didn't sign an exclusive deal with Wal-Mart. Take off your fandom blinders for a minute and look at this objectively.

To digress for a bit. If I am not mistaken, you are the one earlier who said that music "has always been about sex, drugs and rock n' roll and always should be" (paraphrasing a bit). Well guess what, its that "inside the box" kind of thinking that would bring musical growth to a halt if everyone believed it. There never would have been an AC/DC for you to love so much if they and every other rock band before them had "done music the way its always been done".

So while you are out making fun of "progressive" and/or "outside-of-the-box thinking" music writers, make sure you understand that that way of thinking brought you rock n roll. Stop sounding like some bitter 70 yr old geezer (i have no problem with 70 yr olds who arent bitter like this, i am referring to the way HE sounds as a "geezer". Just to clarify there) who is stone set in his ways and refuses to accept that the world moves on and SHOULD move on from the music of your heyday. Just like YOUR generation moved on in ITS day (should have and did).


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Unfortunately you are mistaken I never made the comment about "sex, drugs, and rock n roll." Why do you think Rodger Waters left Pink Floyd? Remember the Pig? That was a commercial sell out as you can get. As for the '70 year old geezer comment, you're wrong, I am not one. And I a'int bitter about anything. It cracks me up when younger people get such ideologies about music. Heck, even Mozart wrote for the money. You need to do a lot of more research into the history of music. Maybe then, people would take your comments seriously.


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Unfortunately you are mistaken I never made the comment about "sex, drugs, and rock n roll." Why do you think Rodger Waters left Pink Floyd? Remember the Pig? That was a commercial sell out as you can get. As for the '70 year old geezer comment, you're wrong, I am not one. And I a'int bitter about anything. It cracks me up when younger people get such ideologies about music. Heck, even Mozart wrote for the money. You need to do a lot of more research into the history of music. Maybe then, people would take your comments seriously.
I have tried to explain this just about as many ways as it can be explained. It's not sinking in. So I am just going to give up on this whole topic. OK here ya go. All artists write and/or perform music ONLY for money. Pink Floyd were major sellouts and had no artistic integrity. The Wall was an obvious sellout album. Ok There ya go. Alright? I give up on you.


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It's all about the jingle! They make great music that we all like. If I could sell anything with my name on it and make a buck I would! You probably would also. Remember, just because you can but it doesn't mean you have to but it.


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I’ve avoided this thread for as long as I could, but I am compelled to add my two cents . . .

Fewer and fewer musicians are making money from their recordings because sales decline every year mostly because of piracy like file sharing and copying CDs as well as listeners’ perception that much of the music being offered out there isn’t worth buying. As the record companies have discovered, it’s hard to compete with free. In the post-CD era there likely will be a bigger gap between the haves and have-nots. Only the really big names are making the really big money like the ones who signed up with companies like Live Nation.

For the last several years, music insiders have talked about what the new business model(s) will be now that recorded music has tanked. So far, there is less of an emphasis on selling music and more on selling things such as concert tickets and band merchandise -- like clothing.

To the poster who didn’t understand the Wal-Mart exclusive, signing with one large outlet is becoming the preferred route as long as the band can sell enough units. It’s not just Wal-Mart, stores like Target and Best Buy offer exclusive deals, too. The old distribution method of putting the product into as many stores as possible is already dead. Most “record stores”, even the big chains, are stocking more profitable products like DVDs, T-shirts and games at the expense of space for CDs. The biggest chain of all, Tower Records, already has been shuttered and sold. The “big box” stores like Wal-Mart and Best Buy have to justify devoting floor space to CDs when there are so many other products that generate more profit so not everyone’s music gets stocked and those that get in get fewer units on the shelves.

In the U.K., Prince and several other major acts distributed their CDs in Sunday newspapers. The newspaper pays the artists, charges more for the paper, people want the music so they buy the paper. The newspaper is happy because that industry is hurting too and they sold many more papers than they would have normally. The artists are happy because they don’t have to support the big record company overhead so they can sell many fewer copies to make the same money.

It isn’t about selling out. The whole music business has changed.

At least nobody said people should make music for the sake of art and not money. I might have leaned over and wretched into my keyboard. :x


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Well I think ppl SHOULD make music for the sake of art, not just money. If they happen to make money from said art, good! I have a problem with a band sitting down saying 'Lets write something that will sell". Just play what you feel, put it out there and see what happens. Maybe I am a schmuck or something but i have a thing for artistic integrity


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