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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:45 am
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"balls, drinking and sex"

Yeah, that's rock and roll all right. The way it should be. If I want to hear about endless love, happy times, and green speech ramblings, I'll go to the coffee shop and hear some losers recite horrible original music and "poetry" that they write in between bong hits.


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I agree with dgonz it is rock and roll, not some poetry reciting at a coffee shop i mean sure some of the rockers are sometimes hitting the bong but at least they are playing something that's worth hearing. Plus what really determines something as a sell out anyways so what they sell a lot of albums and have a lot of fans, isn't that what every person wants when they go out into the music world fame and money so why criticize them for actually being out there. When your still stuck in your coffee shops or your basement at home.
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Why is that my point about AC/DCs songwriting "material" has been automatically compared to its polar opposite? I never said anything about "hippy music", "political activism", "coffee shop players" or "poetry". I'm not trying to flame on people in here, but you know there is a middle ground there right?

I just get irritated by songs like "Biggest Balls" (or whatever its called exactly) which has so little to do with music. It just sounds like a lame excuse to say "Big balls" a million times in a song. To me, THAT is just trying to appeal to the Beavis & Butthead in everyone (wow cool, he keeps saying balls! heh heh heh heh). Maybe I am offbase on this, but I really just dont think I am. IMO Angus is a very good player but beyond him I dont see anything there really.

In conclusion I want to add to this 1 more thing. Another irritating thing I find with "low brow" music lovers (lets not try to argue that AC/DC is "high brow) is that so many so deeply criticize and/or are purposefully ignorant to "deeper" music". If that wasn't the case, I believe in some way I could handle low brow music alot more and accept it for what it is. If you are a big fan of AC/DC please dont take personal offense to this. I mean NONE. I am just trying to articulate my position on it all. Thanks and rock on fellas (and ladies too) :D


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I agree with dgonz it is rock and roll, not some poetry reciting at a coffee shop i mean sure some of the rockers are sometimes hitting the bong but at least they are playing something that's worth hearing. Plus what really determines something as a sell out anyways so what they sell a lot of albums and have a lot of fans, isn't that what every person wants when they go out into the music world fame and money so why criticize them for actually being out there. When your still stuck in your coffee shops or your basement at home.
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OK i wanted to specifically address this one. What determines a sell out is when you are OBVIOUSLY trying to write a "sing-a-long hit". Theres nothing wrong with selling alot of records per say. Just make sure you are doing it the right way. My goal, as far as playing music, isn't "counting heads in a crowd". My goal is to be able to play anything I want to and get by doing it.

I (sort of) subscribe to the idea that Huey Lewis (who is a bozo IMO) father told him once "If you are selling tons of records all the time, something is wrong". I dont think that is ALWAYS true. Let me re-state that to be clear, I don't think that is ALWAYS true. BUT I think in far too many instances this is true. Far too many hits are "safe" and don't really stretch or encourage creativity. Thats all


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anyone that pulls a "wal mart exclusive" with their music, knowing the draconian ways of wal mart's censorship?


sell out.


and they aren't selling out to my money because I refuse to purchase music at wal mart.


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Good god, is this thread really still going?

Ok. Saying AC/DC are sell-outs is like saying the Stones are the Spice Girls. Get over it. They are a great and legendary rock and roll band. End of story. If you want to criticize a band, try a random emo band and vent.

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Random emo bands don't do "wal mart exclusives" typically.


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johncub wrote:
Random emo bands don't do "wal mart exclusives" typically.


I don't care what emo bands do. They're a joke and that's not my point.
Anyone saying AC/DC suddenly sucks because they made one bad move seriously needs to give their head a shake or two. So they did something we (or at least some of us) don't like, big whoop. Everyone seems to be forgetting it's about the MUSIC, not where the music is SOLD. I wouldn't care if they sold it exclusively at smelly gas stations. If it was a great disc, I'd pick it up. This whole thread is an overreaction.

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Oh , sorry I reacted too quickly.

Yeah obviously my problem is their business decision. I haven't heard any of the stuff off the new album so I can't really comment on how it sounds. I just can't get over this type of business decision. To me it is like them shoving a finger in the face of every mom and pop music store out there that not could have but WOULD HAVE made a good deal of revenue.

sorry, my wal mart hating is overflowing. I'll stop now.


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sorry, my wal mart hating is overflowing. I'll stop now.


:P Don't worry, I don't understand it either.

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I guarantee you there is NO one here that if given the chance, would not make a deal with Wal-Mart to sell a record. Any one who has ever tried to make a living at playing music knows that it is a tough, tough thing to try and do. Calling a band a "corporate" sell out is just musical snobbery if you ask me. The whole point of being a professional, famous touring/recording band is..........TO MAKE MONEY......period. Forget all the pseudeo artistic indignation here, it's all a lot of garbage.


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I guarantee you there is NO one here that if given the chance, would not make a deal with Wal-Mart to sell a record.


I'm sure you won't believe me but I absolutely would not. In a land of alleged "freedom" they openly censor. even if it meant a huge financial windfall for me I would decline. I've been poor-ish all my life. I haven't died yet so money isn't that important.


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Nobel words, but you really can't say until you see that contract and how many zeros are after the first number. Human beings are weak. I never thought I would play at a function advocating a cause I politically opposed until I saw the amount of cash they were willing to pay. Sadly I caved, not without some pressure from the rest of the band though. I don't have to believe in the cause to accept the cash. It's all about the dough man.


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Has AC/DC reached the level of products/marketing that Kiss hit?

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Considering I turned down a $120k per year job in favor of a $30k a year job based on principle I think I would make the right decision.

But then I think I'm the only one left that still believes Davey and Goliath had it going on and we should all learn from that.

I do agree money is a temptation. But for some it is not the holy grail.


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