It is currently Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:02 am

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Author Message
Post subject:
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:06 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician

Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:56 am
Posts: 2766
Location: metro Chicago USA
'Not hard on frets, so no recommendation. Thaks all for sharing the observations and knowledge.


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject:
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:23 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:58 pm
Posts: 7714
Location: Planet Earth
wtcumm00 wrote:
R.M. Mottola recently released a very well executed and controlled study on the single aspect of sustain on different neck joints. It's published in issue #91 of American Lutherie, the quarterly journal of the Guild of American Luthiers. I myself approached the study with a healthy skepticism, but he really covered his bases and kept it very well controlled, well documented, well established standard deviations, overall with very very few variables left to chance.

His results showed consistently the bolt on neck joint having greatest sustain, glued joint placing second, and neck through construction placing last. Looking back at his results, it really makes perfect sense. Take a while to study bar vibrations, how waves can be absorbed, transferred, interrupted and reflected, and dampened. It does make perfect sense that any act of interrupting the bar system of neck to bridge, via density or stiffness change of a glue joint, to that plus the mass, transmission through, etc., of metals in a bolt on joint would impede the damping of the neck body system, thereby increasing sustain.

The results were slight enough that no one involved in the study could claim to actually hear a difference, but they showed up consistently in spectrum analysis programs. I would love to see some peer revue studies to confirm or challenge these results, but both the reasoning and the results are both quite compelling. At the very least, this test helps make the idea of the neck joint's effects on sustain as insignificant or negligible harder to contest than before.
Glued neck joints loose a bit on being service friendly, but they are still a bit more serviceable than a neck through

http://liutaiomottola.com/myth/neckJointSustain.htm


I read that article and talk of it on eLUTHERIE.org some time back and don't agree with his findings back 2007. The tolerence and quality of every guitar construction would have to be in question. I guess I am just old school. We all have to remember you talk about a guitars and sustain you have to concider the shape, mass, hardware, construction type, wood and quality of the specific type of wood all factor in on the sustain of a guitar. The slightest variance in any of these cause difference. Many say mass is the most important and I feel when doing set neck construction you are making the guitar and neck a plural mass.
Good discussion though kind of neat you mentioned an article I read well over a year ago and I even remembered it :shock:

_________________
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

Thomas Jefferson


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:52 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:50 pm
Posts: 901
Location: North Carolina
Yeah, thanks for the discussion Cvilleira….Funny how the thread started off about frets and we went off on the tangent about neck joints. Anyway…..peace and keep em’ Rockin’…………Bill :D

_________________
(80’s Hair Metal) = A snapshot in time before Grunge ruined Rock & Roll forever!!!!

Image


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: