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Did you read The Frog Theory? And what was your reaction?
Poll ended at Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:09 am
Yes I did read it and I don't want to repeat this history. 60%  60%  [ 6 ]
No I didn't read it and I could not care less about the USA 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Yes I did read it, but I re-write history to suit myself 10%  10%  [ 1 ]
Yes I did read it, but I hate the USA, so I vote for the one most likely to overthrow it 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
No I did not read it and refuse to get involved, so I stick my head in the sand 10%  10%  [ 1 ]
Yes I did read it, but don't want to get involved, but would sure like someone else to fight all the battles for me 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Yes I did read it, but totally disagree, DID YOU HEAR ME!! (screaming) HE"S WRONG! WRONG! (still screaming) 20%  20%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 10
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Post subject: Re: The Frog Theory - or a history lesson
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:40 pm
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I agree with you 100% in this whole thread !! I just can't type that much! :wink: :wink:


Thanks for that. :D

I love my country, and I guess it shows in this thread.



I was just sitting here this morning, thinking back over how things have been going. And I had my strat in my hands, playing my feelings again. And this came out.
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You love your country and thats a terrific thing that is sadly lacking in my country. It always amazes me how patriotic Americans are, i guess its because you fought for everything you have.
Nothing wrong with patriotism aslong as it isn't blind patriotism. Real patriotism will tell a country when it needs to change, not just wave a flag and sing the national anthem.

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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:32 pm
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I agree with you 100% in this whole thread !! I just can't type that much! :wink: :wink:


Thanks for that. :D

I love my country, and I guess it shows in this thread.



I was just sitting here this morning, thinking back over how things have been going. And I had my strat in my hands, playing my feelings again. And this came out.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default ... tent=music
Cryin' For My Country


You love your country and thats a terrific thing that is sadly lacking in my country. It always amazes me how patriotic Americans are, i guess its because you fought for everything you have.
Nothing wrong with patriotism aslong as it isn't blind patriotism. Real patriotism will tell a country when it needs to change, not just wave a flag and sing the national anthem.


Hmm ... Where to begin? How to explain?

Well it seems we each have trouble understanding the others feelings about our respective countries.

And BTW ... The love of your country can start with one person. It can start with you. I know nothing about the workings of your government. So I can't say anything about, if it needs changing or not, or if it did, how to go about it. It's hard enough to try to say about ones own country, without trying to tell someone else how to run theirs and what it needs. So I will have to leave that up to you and your countrymen. But you can start loving your country, if you don't already. It sounds like from your statement that you may already have feelings of that nature, but maybe think it needs improvement. How to go about it over there? I haven't a clue. Sorry.

The song I posted a link to had no lyrics, and was just my feelings coming out in music. And that was indeed about feelings. However, since it had no lyrics to say one thing or the other - it left the listener the option of interpretation. Where a song with lyrics just says whatever the composer wants it to say - be it truth, opinion or totally false.

What I have posted in words here have been facts and history, or, in the case of the last article, a copy of the writing of a reporter about an event relating to the original post, or words of reason when the facts and history have been attacked.

I don't know WHAT that post was about just above this one I am answering. (did it pertain to the topic here??) I can only surmise that it was some attempt at either refusing the truth, or maybe to muddy up the waters. Strange. Like I said, I don't know. ????? :? ????

I'll hold off on any observations until after the time is up on the poll.
And thanks for your thoughts. (even that one I couldn't make out)


Edited to remove any reference to alcohol or drugs. Sorry folks.
I tried to edit it last night, but the forums were already closed down for the night.


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Sorry fellow posters because I said some time back that I would not talk about religion or politics on these forums !! :oops: Everyone has a right to their own views!! :wink:
Oh, and I did not vote!


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fhopkins wrote:
Sorry fellow posters because I said some time back that I would not talk about religion or politics on these forums !! :oops: Everyone has a right to their own views!! :wink:
Oh, and I did not vote!


Why the apology? What do you think was wrong with your post?

If you would prefer to respond off the forum, please do. I think there is a private message (pm) way to do that.

Also, would you mind telling me why it was important to say you didn't vote in the poll. Maybe I was wrong to include any poll. My thinking at the time was to try and get people to think about some things I have observed in todays society.

I agree with you that everyone has a right to there own views.
That's a part of the freedom (of the few we still have) of this country.
The freedom that was paid for with blood and lives of our forefathers.
I lost a lot of good friends in the wars from Vietnam on. They paid the full price for us.

If we, the usually silent ones, don't speak up now - we may not ever have another chance.

All that I've tried to do here is present a few facts and history. And trying not to let my feelings get hostile to any that have shown a dislike for those facts. (sometimes it's hard - I'm human too and still have feelings too, even though I'm old)

Was it my lack of understanding of that one post? I have re-read, and re-read that post and still can not make sense of it. However, I think, if I understand it at all (and that's a question still yet), that the poster may have been directing some vulgar language at me. But I'm not sure of that, I may have not even understood the use of those signs. Anyway, I checked on some of his previous posts and it appears he may be a high school student. That is why I removed the references to alcohol and drugs from my post above. I have two teenagers in the house and know how hard it is for them to express their views at times. And I try to encourage them to think for themselves, after looking at all the FACTS they can find. But, I still wouldn't let them curse me (they never have) without correction.

Would you please send a reply. If you decide to do that by private message (or email), that will be fine.

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I said I was sorry for talking about religion and politics on the forum because in another thread it got a little heated and I promised then not to discuss them again on this forum. I'd like to think I'm a man of my word. So that is why, although I do agree with you! Does that clear it up for you? I hope so. Have a good one, your friend F. :)


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fhopkins wrote:
I said I was sorry for talking about religion and politics on the forum because in another thread it got a little heated and I promised then not to discuss them again on this forum. I'd like to think I'm a man of my word. So that is why, although I do agree with you! Does that clear it up for you? I hope so. Have a good one, your friend F. :)


Thank you, and yes that does clear it up. :D

I, also, try my best to be a man of my word. I can respect that. But you didn't know this thread was in the future, and you still haven't broken any promise, as far as I can see. It's just that things happen sometimes that really need our input.

I thought that maybe I had said, or done, something that caused hard feelings. And if that had been the case, it surely would be unintentional, and an accident, or mistake on my part.

It may not seem so to someone just reading this thread, but I really have tried to keep this thread factual, and without letting emotion (except, of course, my little tune - and that may have been a mistake to post that) take over. I believe we (I) think better with a cool head, and good hard facts. And also, with history as a good teacher.

I would like to see a recovery of my country, before it's enemies completely destroy it. And that will take Americans standing up, and speaking up, and voting for right over wrong.

As pointed out in the original post, history speaks for itself.
I just hope we can learn from it and not repeat those Carter, Clinton, years of mistakes mentioned in that first article.

I will be gone soon. But those left here will have to live with what ever I (or we) leave them. It would be nice to turn over to them (our children, and grandchildren) an America that is still free, and values freedom. That is why what we do NOW is so important.

Thanks for your posts friend. :D


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rholloman wrote:
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I said I was sorry for talking about religion and politics on the forum because in another thread it got a little heated and I promised then not to discuss them again on this forum. I'd like to think I'm a man of my word. So that is why, although I do agree with you! Does that clear it up for you? I hope so. Have a good one, your friend F. :)


Thank you, and yes that does clear it up. :D

I, also, try my best to be a man of my word. I can respect that. But you didn't know this thread was in the future, and you still haven't broken any promise, as far as I can see. It's just that things happen sometimes that really need our input.

I thought that maybe I had said, or done, something that caused hard feelings. And if that had been the case, it surely would be unintentional, and an accident, or mistake on my part.

It may not seem so to someone just reading this thread, but I really have tried to keep this thread factual, and without letting emotion (except, of course, my little tune - and that may have been a mistake to post that) take over. I believe we (I) think better with a cool head, and good hard facts. And also, with history as a good teacher.

I would like to see a recovery of my country, before it's enemies completely destroy it. And that will take Americans standing up, and speaking up, and voting for right over wrong.

As pointed out in the original post, history speaks for itself.
I just hope we can learn from it and not repeat those Carter, Clinton, years of mistakes mentioned in that first article.

I will be gone soon. But those left here will have to live with what ever I (or we) leave them. It would be nice to turn over to them (our children, and grandchildren) an America that is still free, and values freedom. That is why what we do NOW is so important.

Thanks for your posts friend. :D


Thanks for understanding but I think you know where I stand!! :wink:


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I've been saying much the same thing for years. Our great nation is in decline and if we are to have any hope of stopping it, we need to get back some basic moral values.

YES there is moral right and wrong (the current "if it's good for you, then it's good philosphy has to go)

NO you don't have the right not to be offended (toughen up you sissies)

Work hard, stand tall, do the right thing, and don't expect anyone to HAND you ANYTHING.

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fhopkins wrote:

Thanks for understanding but I think you know where I stand!! :wink:


Yes ... I think so :wink:

Like I said, I can (and I'm sure others do too) respect a man trying his best to honor his word.

Have a great day :D


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I've been saying much the same thing for years. Our great nation is in decline and if we are to have any hope of stopping it, we need to get back some basic moral values.

YES there is moral right and wrong (the current "if it's good for you, then it's good philosphy has to go)

NO you don't have the right not to be offended (toughen up you sissies)

Work hard, stand tall, do the right thing, and don't expect anyone to HAND you ANYTHING.


And please keep saying it!

Sometimes it may appear that no one listens, but keep on anyway.

After all, if someone doesn't say it - then no one will hear, and the message is lost.

Thanks for your post.


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There is an oulde sage among historians, people get the government they deserve.

So what is America doing societally to deserve the absolute best?


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There is an oulde sage among historians, people get the government they deserve.

So what is America doing societally to deserve the absolute best?


Interesting.

This gets away from strictly history or facts in the normal sense.

While I haven't heard it put quit that way before, I have read something along those lines in an old, and once honored and revered, book. There used to be a copy in every home in America, or so I heard. From the looks of things these days, it was probably thrown out a long time ago, and few would remember it. It was called the Bible, or the Holy Bible, or it may have had both titles at one time or another.

In it somewhere there was the thing about if people turned to wrong, their good leaders would be removed and they would be turned over to evil rulers for destruction.

However, people can see the error of their ways, and turn from those wrong ways and to the higher authority, and that same authority will heal the land.
(to paraphrase something I remembered from that book)

Some, or a part , of that turning from wrong would be taking a long hard look at the candidates offered, and at the history, as pointed out above, and voting for the 'right' candidate, instead of the wrong one.

As for people getting what they deserve - from what I understand, also from that old book, all of us would be in a very hot place if we got what we deserved. Fortunately for us, we are given a chance to turn to right over wrong, and turn from those ways.

If the wrong candidate does get in, in-my-opinion, people should find a copy of that old book - and fast - and start reading and studying, and find out how to pray. Even now wouldn't be too early to start. Ever heard an expression "you had better be checking your hole card"?

The candidates aren't the only concern, there are many, many more "concerns".

But, as I said this gets away from accepted facts and history, and into an area where "belief" and "faith" are. So, I reply, in this post, as "things I believe".


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As George Santayana said, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

As humans, it seems to me that we have been repeating it for thousands of years.

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gridlok wrote:
As George Santayana said, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

As humans, it seems to me that we have been repeating it for thousands of years.

Gridlok


Who's George Santanya? Sounds familiar, kinda like he should be some guitarist I should know of:?

Anyway .... about the repeating part ... you've got that right.


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George Santayana was a Spanish born American philosopher. Far as I can tell, he never played a Fender. (But you just never know.)

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