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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:08 pm
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I've heard this argument also that Strats don't work very good for metal. It's rubbish. The Stratocaster is the most versatile guitar there is. It's just that most metal players like that thick, chunky sound that full size humbuckers give you.

But these full size humbuckers are very one-dimensional pickups. Sure they excel at giving you that thick sound. But they don't clean up that well. And they are so high-gain that your guitar is constantly feeding back when you turn the volume on. And forget about sweep picking on them.

I've been playing my Les Paul for the last year. It's great for that creamy tone but don't ask it to anything else. The Strat is capable of more tones I feel.

Yngwie is the man...

Same when I got my Nighthawk. It was getting a couple tones my Strat never really nailed, but those were the only ones it was getting, and the Nighthaw has a Split Pickup setting that's supposed to sound like a Strat (cough, cough). I sounds like half a pick up, not a single coil.

When I get my Gibson Nighthawk nice and Chunky and Heavy on the Bridge Pickup, then Plug my Deluxe Players Strat into the same set up, it's not heavy and Chunky. If I turn the Gain up on the amps or Distortion Pedal, it's heavy and chunky, but still a little thinner. If you ask me the Distorted Humbucker sound is better for Metal Rythm, and the Distorted Single Coil is better for Metal leads, Neither of them suck, but it's all opinion.

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Single coils can be used in metal, it just depends on the player and how the amp is set. Yes, if you do like many of the kids I see and use no-mids, I mean the knob is on ZERO in your EQ, then everything will sound like crap (even humbuckers, and if you play with a band, you may not be heard at all with no mids in your EQ), but I guess single coils would sound crappier on a no-mids scoop...

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It all depends on what sound you want.
If you are all about detuned "chunka chunka" playing then single coils are most likely not for you.
Distorted overdriven single coils scream and they have a "bite" that most dual coils just don't produce. Especially if you upgrade the stock Fender offerings to some nice high output models. I'll put my Seymour Duncan Quarter Pounders up against any dual coil humbucker any time.

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Well, It just sounds that much better from a humbucker.. thats why the hum, single, single layout was popular in the eighties... Oh- did I forget the big hair and the eye liner too? lets all look like girls playing heavy metal!!! "Metal Mania Dude!!!" I think Ill go and play a Johnson- Im mean a Jackson now..


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357mag wrote:
... these full size humbuckers excel at giving you that thick sound ... I've been playing my Les Paul for the last year. It's great for that creamy tone but don't ask it to anything else. The Strat is capable of more tones I feel...

Why is it the only current single-coil metal player today you can point to is Yngwie? That is not because of some grand coincidence or conspiracy. It is because you can not get that thick, creamy tone from a single-coil Strat like a humbucker will. It is a fact. My Gibson SG with Gibson 496R/500T pups can give wayyyyy more crunch than my Strat could ever hope to, and it does not take much overdrive to get there, either.

And for all those "I play metal through my Strat" posts, plug a Les Paul into that same setup and tell me there is no difference. It is not happening...

But all that being true, I wouldn't change out my beautiful single-coil Alnico 5s in my Strat for anything.

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I have a question for everyone who posted in this thread, one I should have mentioned earlier.

Do you use Digital Modeling to get your sound?

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I not going to bash weather a Strat with single coil PUPS or a guitar with a humbucker is better. It's really all depends on the player and listener weather it sounds good. Myself I have a Les Paul with Classic 57 and 57 plus pups I play my most heavy stuff. Why?? Because I can get the tone I was lookin for in harder music. I do own a Strat and I have tried many times to get the tone My Les gets and I can't get the sound. But there are other people that play strats that can get that sound. So it's the player tech and amp setup that depends on the sound one tries to get. My strat on the other hand get great clean tones and blues tones I was lookin for that my Les can't get. My sound comes from my hands and pickin Not the guitar. Other may disagree but that my 2 cents and I'm happy to be able to get the tones I like hearing from two different guitars. Now the tones I get from my Brian May Red Special is a different story LOL :D


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I not going to bash weather a Strat with single coil PUPS or a guitar with a humbucker is better. It's really all depends on the player and listener weather it sounds good. Myself I have a Les Paul with Classic 57 and 57 plus pups I play my most heavy stuff. Why?? Because I can get the tone I was lookin for in harder music. I do own a Strat and I have tried many times to get the tone My Les gets and I can't get the sound. But there are other people that play strats that can get that sound. So it's the player tech and amp setup that depends on the sound one tries to get. My strat on the other hand get great clean tones and blues tones I was lookin for that my Les can't get. My sound comes from my hands and pickin Not the guitar. Other may disagree but that my 2 cents and I'm happy to be able to get the tones I like hearing from two different guitars. Now the tones I get from my Brian May Red Special is a different story LOL :D

Is it one of the New Red Specials Brian Mays company produced, or is it the Burns or Gretch?

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I not going to bash weather a Strat with single coil PUPS or a guitar with a humbucker is better. It's really all depends on the player and listener weather it sounds good. Myself I have a Les Paul with Classic 57 and 57 plus pups I play my most heavy stuff. Why?? Because I can get the tone I was lookin for in harder music. I do own a Strat and I have tried many times to get the tone My Les gets and I can't get the sound. But there are other people that play strats that can get that sound. So it's the player tech and amp setup that depends on the sound one tries to get. My strat on the other hand get great clean tones and blues tones I was lookin for that my Les can't get. My sound comes from my hands and pickin Not the guitar. Other may disagree but that my 2 cents and I'm happy to be able to get the tones I like hearing from two different guitars. Now the tones I get from my Brian May Red Special is a different story LOL :D

Is it one of the New Red Specials Brian Mays company produced, or is it the Burns or Gretch?



It's the one he makes. I bought it the first day it came out~!!!


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I not going to bash weather a Strat with single coil PUPS or a guitar with a humbucker is better. It's really all depends on the player and listener weather it sounds good. Myself I have a Les Paul with Classic 57 and 57 plus pups I play my most heavy stuff. Why?? Because I can get the tone I was lookin for in harder music. I do own a Strat and I have tried many times to get the tone My Les gets and I can't get the sound. But there are other people that play strats that can get that sound. So it's the player tech and amp setup that depends on the sound one tries to get. My strat on the other hand get great clean tones and blues tones I was lookin for that my Les can't get. My sound comes from my hands and pickin Not the guitar. Other may disagree but that my 2 cents and I'm happy to be able to get the tones I like hearing from two different guitars. Now the tones I get from my Brian May Red Special is a different story LOL :D

Is it one of the New Red Specials Brian Mays company produced, or is it the Burns or Gretch?



It's the one he makes. I bought it the first day it came out~!!!

Cool, I want to try one real bad 8)

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