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Post subject: Something I've noticed on these forums...
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:25 am
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Now realizing that these are FENDER forums and all with primarily blues, jazz, and country players here it's still mind-boggling that a lot of people here seem to really bash technical players especially in the metal genre. Heck Yngwie Malmsteen (at least to me) is one of the most amazing virtuosos of our time (with his own signature model Strat BTW) and yet people here still like to bash him. The best part is that those who like to do the bashing don't even have their own site with their own written and recorded music on it for everyone else to hear and critique. I hear a lot of "I can do this" or "I can do that", but there's absolutely nothing to back up what they actually can or can not do. Good thing that this isn't Bandmix.com because those people would be banned by the other members after the other members that have audio up got done telling them exactly what they are. Jealousy is an ugly thing.

In essence if someone feels the need to start bashing a certain individual, music genre, band, ect., then at least make sure that you have something to back it up (ie: your own audio that you wrote and recorded). It's been my experience that a lot of people like to do such things hiding behind their computers in the hopes that nobody actually calls them out like I just did...

Anyone agree?

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:41 am
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Although I am not a metal player, I recognize the fact that there are many metal players with just unreal chops. My kids turned me on to DragonForce and they just blew me away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgrCKhx ... re=related


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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:49 am
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I agree with you on your comment regarding Yngwie Malmsteen. He is undoubtedly one of my favorite guitarists. Although he plays lightning fast, he is still capable of playing with immense feeling, which most people fail to recognize. Shred seems to be a highly underappreciated guitar genre.

Anyways, here's my humble video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmR4sYC4TSI


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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:30 am
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While I do recognize and admire Yngwie and others for their technical and speed skills.,
I simply do not like that kind of music.

It's not an issue with the musicians, it is a issue with their genre.
I am also not very fond of the whiny Country style. :shock:

Blues, Jazz, and classic rock is mainly it for me, with an occasional bit of surf music thrown in.

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:47 am
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i agree with the above. this is a forum with many opinions some you like some you might not. don't take it personally. you like malmsteen. i know of the guy but his music doesn't play on the radio. so I can't tell you if i like it or not.


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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:05 pm
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I don't think I've heard one person rag on Yngwie and say "... because I'm better."

It's usually a rip on that fact that he's an arrogant $@!, and he is. There are many others, just as accomplished, more awards, etc, that don't necessarily have his bad attitude. Me? I could care less - about his attitude or him in general. Good guitar player? Yeah, extremely proficient and does what he does very well. I don't care to listen to him much though - just not my thing.

I was a major metalhead-player in the 80's myself and loved a lot of those guys. Many great guitar players from back then. Now, I have no interest in that style really anymore, since my focus is on other things I can't do, or different areas I want to learn other than speeding through harmonic minor scales.


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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:54 pm
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This isn't just about Yngwie at all. I just used him as an example and he's NOT my favorite player either because there's so many great players out there to learn from. I'm classically trained so obviously I like and appreciate many genres of music (all except for rap and country). I also still play my piano everyday and find that it's a great avenue for coming up with crazy and beautiful melodies for the guitar (both electric and classical). My main point is that I DON'T bash other players or genres maybe because I have a greater understanding of the actual music that's being performed and I DO have my own web page so that people can go and actually "hear" where I'm coming from to a point. Anyone that thinks that the shred style is just speeding through scales and modes is just showing their "lack of knowledge" (to be polite) about what they're hearing in the first place. Although I do have to admit that Michael Angelo Batio DOES give the genre a bad name as well as the band Dragonforce. As I've said; I don't expect everyone to like shred, classical, and jazz (which is where I come from), but at least be educated and/or informed enough to actually "know" what you're saying if you have a problem with it or better yet, if you can't explain it in a "theorized" fashion, then maybe a comment shouldn't be made at all.

At least on Bandmix MOST of the members have their own audio up so everyone can understand where they're coming from if something like this were to come up, but for the most part it doesn't because MOST of the members are actually practicing musicians that have years of training and performing under their belts. Rather than bashing other musicians, people like us let our own music (yeah original material that we wrote and recorded on our own) do the talking for us...Whether we like each other's material or not, we all RESPECT each other as musicians that are all in the same boat traveling down the same river... :twisted:

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:08 pm
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Oh well, there's no accounting for taste. I don't have anything against Malmsteen, I just don't care for his music. Another famous guitarist I listened to but didn't care for was Dimebag Darrel. Obviously he had quite a following, I'm just not among his fans. My reaction isn't at all passionate or in any way personal, it's more like seeing something on TV that doesn't interest me, so I just change the channel.


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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:19 pm
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(Scratching his head in confusion)
Dude, I don't think we've been reading the same posts...I will admit I have seen one or two snide remarks but for the most part it has simply been "not my cup of tea" or "I would rather listen to..." or "small doses"

I certain have not seen a lot of put downs along the line of what you have alluded to -" I can do better...."


You make it sound like your preferred genre of music and yourself personally have come under some kind of full scale general assault - and I repeat, I simply don't see it in the posts I have been reading....

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:25 pm
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You don't have to be the equal of a player to not like his music. I don't like shredders personally. I don't see the need for so many notes. For me, BPM is not a measure of talent. I don't have to be as good at shredding as master shredders to have this opinion. I don't like country or rap either and I can't chicken pick or lay down beats. I can't do them because I don't like them and have no need to master them.
You can respect a person's skill while not liking their music. It's not a reason to ban them.

I love 70's prog and fusion rock. Bands like Yes, Genesis, Crimson. Most people here don't give them the time of day. I don't need to hear a recording of their music to allow them that opinion.

By the way, I haven't noticed anyone bashing shredders or any other genre. Most here understand that there's music you like and music you don't, but it's all music and it's all good.

Jealousy is something I haven't seen at all here.

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:26 pm
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Troublecall wrote:
(Scratching his head in confusion)
Dude, I don't think we've been reading the same posts...I will admit I have seen one or two snide remarks but for the most part it has simply been "not my cup of tea" or "I would rather listen to..." or "small doses"

I certain have not seen a lot of put downs along the line of what you have alluded to -" I can do better...."


You make it sound like your preferred genre of music and yourself personally have come under some kind of full scale general assault - and I repeat, I simply don't see it in the posts I have been reading....


I have to concur with my esteemed colleague above. I have yet to see a post where the author was stated to say that this or that person sucked and he or she could do better. I have found 99% of the members here quite amicable and helpful in many aspects.

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Post subject: Re: Something I've noticed on these forums...
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:28 pm
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Shreddin, let's get some things straight here...

1) There are other metal players here. Although I am more in the mold of Vai or Halen (as opposed to Lamb of God, etc.).

2) Yngwie. Yngwie. Yngwei... Where do I start?? I was on to Yngwie before you (or any one else stateside) ever heard of him. Why? Because the guy who discovered him (Mike Varney) is a buddy of mine and lived right down the street from me. My git-buddies and I followed Yngwie, my friend. I was at one of Alcatrazz's first-ever gigs with only about 50 people. So when it comes to Yngwie, I have "street cred".

3) Even back in Alcatrazz days, I was never that big of a fan of him. His playing was always "amazing", for sure. But -- for whatever reason -- it never really moved me. I am moved much more moved by Steve Vai, Randy Rhoades, or the equally fast Nuno Bettencort. Have you ever noticed that Yngwie's only audience is exclusively musicians (mostly guitar players)??? Hmmmmm ... why is that?

4) If you want to say I am jealous, okay... But, please get it right and say that I am jealous of Jeff Beck or Steve Vai. Because those are the ONLY two guitar players that I have ever seen live where there were moments where I had no idea what they were doing to get the sounds they were getting...

5) I can't speak for the rest of the forum, but I never have bashed Yngwie. I have tremendous respect for what he does. He was doing things at 16 that were in the stratosphere.

6) The other side of Yngwie... Yngwie is know for having a "Barry Bonds" reputation. And people will tend to bash people they consider to be a bit of an arse. That's human nature. I have not met him personally, so I will not chime in either way. Also, didn't he beat up some chick in Florida a few years back? That kind of stuff haunts you in my opinion...

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:36 pm
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No bro that's still not it man. I don't feel that I myself have come under "attack" if you will, but rather it's about the misunderstanding of what is actually being played by certain players that must obviously go above most people's heads. And when I see others "talk" about their "god-given" talents and such yet have no web page or anything to back it up, then it starts to get irritating to the point of wanting to just laugh at them and think that they're lying. I really don't want to be that way, but it's hard not to be. All I've done is make a simple observation and then put it into words that are apparently misunderstood even though it's plain as day to me.

Anyway it was just an observation to begin with so I guess it'll just be an observation to end with...I guess that I should remember that this isn't bandmix even though I hold you guys in that high regard. No harm done... :wink:

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:42 pm
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So you think someone has to "prove themselves to you" before they can have opinions? I'm confused. People of all skills are welcome here. They can all post their opinions. We don't require a certain level of mastery in order to partake in the forums. This site is about Fender, not skill sets.

I think you have the wrong idea of what we're about.

You talk about stuff "going over people's heads". Or members talking about their "god given talents". You seem to be implying a superiority to them. You're too good for them to even understand. They have no right to an opinion because you don't approve of the level of their skill set? I'm wondering who gave you such authority. I think you need to be a bit more humble. There's always someone better then you. Guitar players are a dime a dozen. You're not as great as you think you are.

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:44 pm
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the phrase 'theres no accounting for taste' comes very much to mind.
People need to distinguish between appeal and talent, the two dont always go hand in hand.
For instance (this is going to cause trouble) im no srv fan, heard him thought its all been done before, nothing to see here. never bothered again. Was mr vaughn talentless of course not, he was a great player, just not to my tastes. The same goes for Yngwie.
You cant make peoples choices for em.

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