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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:05 am
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I'm not talking about being a fretboard wizard. I'm talking about the basic ability to play something other than freakin' power chords! To me it seems that for the most part that's all I hear/see in the local guitar shops now.

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:10 am
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I think it went underground. Today it seems inconceivable that there might not be a lot of good musicians out there. We've got the best of everything in the way of equipment and study options.

I do have a hard time finding good music, though.


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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:13 am
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Depends on where you go and who's playing. The Detroit area over here has tons of musicians, all different styles. There certainly are some power-chord-only hacks, but there are also some great jazz, blues, latin, fingerstyle, etc - guitarists around as well.

In general, the majority of pop music today isn't big on guitar technique. Not like the 80's where there was practically a war about who could play the best, fastest, most interesting, solos in their songs. Very rare today, at least in the normal Top 40 rotation (and I never listen to the radio anyway).


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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:14 am
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Good music by what definition and in what genre? I'm assuming that you meant to listen too.

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The oulde hippie saying of, "If you are not part of the solution, your are part of the problem," comes to mind.

MAKE good music.


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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:23 am
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I'd say yes, and I blame Nu-Metal. Drop tuning is just lazy.

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:51 am
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What is nu-metal?


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For the most part you're right on Jeffro. Soloing can be difficult and I think it's waaaay to tough for most of todays lazy guitarists. Woo Hoo drop tune and play guitar hero.

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When I hear the crappy, repetitive, and over-the-top songs of today played on the radio, I think to myself...

"...Am I supposed to be hearing a guitar?"

Yeah, it's as if a wackload of new bands have are lazy and don't even try anything interesting or creative. I know this guy that plays guitar. He didn't even bother to learn how to read music. He didn't even bother to learn how to play chords smoothly. He just wants to learn everything as fast as he can. And then it turns out sloppy. Seriously, get outta here! That's dumb.

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Is musicianship disappearing?


No, you just have to look harder to find it. 8)

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:16 pm
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Where did the name "power chord" come from. Those cords sure don't seem very "powerful" to me.

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Syeklops wrote:
Where did the name "power chord" come from. Those cords sure don't seem very "powerful" to me.


Pete Townshend in the late '60s, if I remember right. Lot's of two note chords with plenty of gain extremely loud though a speaker stack (which he also "invented"): a stripped down, aggressive sound that he or someone called power chords.

To the OP: if you'd lived through the late '70s early '80s, with the arrival of drum machines, one-fingered synth playing and the seeming near disappearance of guitar players, and then the emergence of sampling and other methods by which non-musicians could make music... you wouldn't even think of asking the question. When Oasis came along they actually seemed like the saviours of music: that's how bad things had got!

Musicianship on the guitar (and the bass and drums, for that matter) has never been more alive and strong, with more styles and more skillful players to choose from. It's out there: go find it!

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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:47 am
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Ceri wrote:

Musicianship on the guitar (and the bass and drums, for that matter) has never been more alive and strong, with more styles and more skillful players to choose from. It's out there: go find it!

Cheers - C


I've seen some really talented musicians who are out on the road playing the roadhouse and club circuits that have a huge amount of musicianship and sometimes I wonder why these people aren't famous yet.

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I think people now want instant gratification, and are not willing to put in the time needed to really learn.

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There's a TON of good points here, but it's all in where you look and how deep that you want to dig to find the great bands that ARE out there. A good example is all of the bands that I'm friends with on my myspace page. Check out All That Remains, Mystic Prophecy, Flotsam & Jetsam, Nevermore, Testament, ect., ect. MOST of them drop tune and are playing absolutely crazy melodies and solos alike. And yeah I actually talk to them because they like my stuff and some of them even sent me a friend request rather than me sending them one. Drop tuning is a way of being different and getting a "heavier" sound to these dudes and myself and BTW NONE of us play Guitar Hero at all :lol: . Musicianship hasn't disappeared, it just took a new form in the metal world. I've been chatting with Rob Arnold from Chimaira a little here and there about stuff like this as well and even if you don't like Chimaira, you ought to hear him play on his own. The dude can totally shred man!

So in essence musicianship has disappeared in the main stream, but it lives alive and well in the underground like RudyH had posted. :twisted:

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