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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 2:29 pm
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I respectfully beg to differ. One often sees the business vs. people argument....


Exactly, I fully agree with that, and that's my point. Most people don't understand that the republican focus on business will help the whole, provided that it's planned and executed correctly. A lot of people just think "Republicans don't care about people, just business", and they therefore vote democrat since "Democrats are for the people!", and that's completely wrong.

My point on this particular comment was that most people don't know much more than "good/bad", and are too lazy to learn about it, and blindly vote with the masses, who's more popular on MTV, who the novelty pick is, or who reminds them of someone they like. "Wow, a woman VP? That's what we've been fighting for. I HAVE To vote for her - at any cost!" - and that's the reality of a bigger portion of this country than we'd all like to admit.

If someone admires her and McCain for what they stand for, what they believe they will do, and not for the novelty factor or to "get our girl in office", that's perfectly fine.

Just like a person who votes for Obama for who he is, what he plans to do and how much they believe in him, not just because he's "not another Bush" or just because he's black.

Yes, VOTE! We need people in this country to stop being idiots, and to change what they believe in, but they have to learn what that is, and in the US, we're always too busy, and work more hours than any other country in the world, so that research gets pushed under the rug since watching some highlights on CNN and asking the opinions of a few friends is much "easier" and faster to make that decision in the normal US lifestyle.

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To quote one of my favorite authors, Robert Heinlein:

"If you are part of a society that votes, then do so. There may be no candidates and no measures you want to vote for...but there are certain to be ones you want to vote against. In case of doubt, vote against. By this rule, you will rarely go wrong. If this is too blind for your taste, consult some well-meaning fool (there is always one around) and ask his opinion. Then vote the other way. This enables you to be a good citizen (if such is your wish) without spending the enormous amount of time on it that truly intelligent exercise of franchise requires."

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I align myself with one of the big parties but am not gonna say which one. Regardless ... to me, both parties sell you a platform that gets you all fired up. Then, when they are in office, they just do mostly whatever their big-money-lobby contributors want.

Then, four years later when you are all pissed off at the politician du jor, they come back and do it again. This election is repeatedly being advertised as "change" by both parties. Whoever wins, I hope that "change" is realized ... in a good way.

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As someone has said they are both horrible canidates so I will just hold my nose and vote for the one who is the least horrible. For President I like to vote more for who I think will handle our Armed Services the best and Foreign affairs because I think that is the Executive side of Govererments most important job. Legislative side (Congress) I think has more to do with economy. Alot of those people need to loose there jobs because they are as much to blame for the mess of the last couple years as anybody.

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Maybe it's time to kick all of the rascals out and start all over again. Tea party, anyone??

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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:50 pm
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Just make sure that you V-O-T-E
Really. I think of all the revolutionaries back in the 1700's that died fighting for it. We owe it to them. So vote McCain, Obama, Nader, or ... my personal write-in favorite ... Steve Vai.

Even if you don't know who to vote for, just VOTE!!!!!

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I know people who say we should have a voter's test (and in principle, I agree). Anyone can and should vote but they should know more than sound bites or just one side.

Still, we're not talking about the old blatantly racist voter tests some places one used. Instead, something much simpler and that doesn't depend on a legal level of interpretation or tend to reveal the voter's position on issues. For example: the major media have identified (say) five issues of high concern this year -- name three and indicate in broad terms what the two sides are on two of them.

To make that more concrete, suppose I say Iraq, health care, education crisis. Okay, that's three -- nothing profound, no rocket science so far.

Now I go on to say: Iraq - some say we must stay because of the fight on terrorism while others say that particular place is misguided. On health care, some say that it's unaffordable for many but others say that state health care would be socialism and doesn't work.

I didn't reveal my prefernce, didn't need an MD or JD or twenty years in the miltary and there's nothing racist in knowing the broad issues that affect everyone and that are widely publicized in many sources.

Thus, we actively encourage voting but require some effort on the part of the voter. The "founding fathers" were not against restricting voters to those they believed able and willing to vote intelligently. THey simply chose criterea (such as land ownership or income) that we now accept don't necessarily correlate with intelligence or interest.


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I would be happy if you just had to show ID as to who you are and that you are on the roles to be able to vote. Also limit voting to the old time absetee ballots and two days first Monday and Tuesday of November. And all states should use a scanned paper ballot no punch cards and no computer touch screens that do not print a paper ballot as well. Need over site big time. We had a poling place that on election day there touch sceen PC's all ready had hundreds of votes cast on them because a test run that was done on them had not been cleared by the company hired to run them. The University of Maryland ran test on them the year before they started using them here in Md. and said the software was easy to manipulate the results on also the University told the state they should not use the system because it was un reliable. Some peeps wallets got fat they started using it anyway and said they would have it worked out by election day and then they did nothing but run with it. No paper trail :evil:
Vote early vote often. If you dead you can still vote. Why purge the roles go vote in you old neigborhood to. You cant speak English thats ok your a U.S. Citizen if you live in Maryland. Your in jail thats ok you can vote will bring the machines to you (Thats right that one did not pass last year by a slim margin) As much as I hate the process here I refuse not to vote no matter how hard the one party makes it for the members of the other I will be there to vote here in the Socialist Republic of Maryland

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Better yet, just duke it out in the ring!


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"The roar of the masses could be farts"

Anyone who decides whom to vote for based on the biased 3 second sound bytes and "talking heads" of the media is unworthy of the priveledge.

Before you decide to vote for Government run health care, take a look at Government run housing (da projects) and the existing Government run healthcare system (the Veterans Administration Hospitals) DEPLORABLE.

Yes we need to fix a lot of stuff but letting the Government do it is NOT the way.

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"The roar of the masses could be farts"

Anyone who decides whom to vote for based on the biased 3 second sound bytes and "talking heads" of the media is unworthy of the priveledge.

Before you decide to vote for Government run health care, take a look at Government run housing (da projects) and the existing Government run healthcare system (the Veterans Administration Hospitals) DEPLORABLE.

Yes we need to fix a lot of stuff but letting the Government do it is NOT the way.

Now we are going to bail out Morgage companies and let the Govermaent hold all the bad debt. What are they going to start evicting all the home owners that got loans that should not have? I doubt that you the taxpayer is going to foot that bill. The 1999 deregulation bill that lifted the restraints that did not allowed banks and brokareges and Insurances companies to be involved in each others bussiness is now showng how bad that bill was for the economy. Though not many talk about that Bill The Financial Modernization Act of 1999 :twisted:

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