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I listened to that track again and I didn't catch the "scream" during any part of the song. Maybe you're thinking about another track?


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I haven't seen the Cube 20x, I assume it's very similar to my 30x. You're right about the power squeeze changing the sound. I raise the treble about a fifth of a turn when using the power squeeze. But without doing that, it doesn't sound nearly as good.

I recall reading that a reduction in highs is normal when turning up a tube amp, so maybe they modeled it to be faithful to that concept. But I really don't know. I just know I like my amp.


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If you listen really close to the softer parts towards the beginning of the track, you can hear her shouting (cuing the band rather) her vocal parts in the background over the drums. You can make it out when she says "never doubted for a day" and later on, right before the bigger guitars come in.

I added her vocal line so you can A/B the two.

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More tube amps are now being offered that allow variable wattage operation. I kind of like the Krank Rev Jr, but it doesn't allow variable power.


I don't really understand what this has to do with tone. Any time you turn the volume down..you are varying the power..which is measured in watts.

Current is measured in amps (or amperage, amperes)..voltage is measured in volts, resistance is measured in ohms, and power is measure in watts..it's just a relationship..the = parameters are one in the same. Example: Dollars = money.

Without getting too technical which I tend to do..I think you just need to try out the line 6 pod. However the tone of your instrument naturally plays a part. Are you satisfied with the clean raw tone of your ax?

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Don't get me wrong, I think that the Roland Cube series are the best modelling practice amps available. I've played and owned several affordable solid state modelling amps. Only Roland has done an adequate job of reproducing classic amp tones and tolerable overdrive and distortion. Some of the effects are pretty nice too. And I think that Roland offers the best value. I'll consider Line 6 software and effects pedals, but I'm done with their combo practice amplifiers. I had hopes for the Line 6 Spider Valve, but they need a lower wattage version at a lower price and I think it still falls short on tone.


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Okay, the new link has vox on it. The first had none. Good song, man.


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More tube amps are now being offered that allow variable wattage operation. I kind of like the Krank Rev Jr, but it doesn't allow variable power.


I don't really understand what this has to do with tone. Any time you turn the volume down..you are varying the power..which is measured in watts.

Current is measured in amps (or amperage, amperes)..voltage is measured in volts, resistance is measured in ohms, and power is measure in watts..it's just a relationship..the = parameters are one in the same. Example: Dollars = money.

Without getting too technical which I tend to do..I think you just need to try out the line 6 pod. However the tone of your instrument naturally plays a part. Are you satisfied with the clean raw tone of your ax?



I'm not that technical, but my desire for the variable wattage option has more to do with overdriving the amplifier for optimal lead playing sustain than tone. As primarily a home hobbyist, I can't drive a 50 watt amp to the point where it breaks up for lead work without driving myself and my neighbors insane. I know that a lot of Fender players like clean and only clean tone, so they don't mind lots of headroom. But I play more blues, rock and metal than anything else. I want Gilmour-like, endless sustain from an amplifier. I want it to ring on like a damn organ. I like sparkling clean for stuff like the B-52s, Strokes and Arctic Monkeys, but I get off more on the overdriven playing of stuff like Megadeth and Tool. I rarely play any country or jazz. As much as I like the overdriven, long sustained metal sounds, I like my clean tones to be ultra-bright. Because of my preference for those two extremes, I've found it hard to find my all-in-one dream rig. But I'm still looking. I probably will have to take a closer look at the Line 6 POD even though L6 pissed me off in the past. A lot of players sing their praise. Do you play yours through a solid-state or a tube amp?

Because of the low volumes I play at, I'm always cranking up the treble on the amp and on my guitars. I don't like fizzy, bassy, fuzzy, slushy electric guitar sounds (but I really dig buzzy, live-electric-wire-like sounds, think early Motley Crue, Van Halen, Megadeth, Tool). I lose a lot of treble response playing at low volumes. Typically, I'll turn bass nearly to zero and crank up middle and treble to get close the tone and sustain I want out of my cheap practice amp. And I need a guitar that plays bright because of this. I find that I get the best metal tones out of my Fender American Deluxe Telecaster (which I love), surprisingly enough, though it lacks in sustain. I even keep my Tele's treble setting on the No Load notch.


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Ah..I think I get it..you are looking for that "over driven" amp sound for home recording. But don't want to have the police called and are on a budget.

If this is the case I can offer one solution that has worked for me in that situation. I repeat..this has worked for ME in situations...

Sometimes no effects in the world can give you what you want..but your amp can. So a recording technique I use is place the amp in a closet and cover it in blankets or whatever can absorb sound. Stick the mic inside the "mound" of whatever and close the closet door. Now you can crank that amp to 11 for all anyone will care. I even once closed myself in the closet with the amp so i could utilize all the wonderful feedback/harmonics that can only really come from an overdriven amp in close proximity.

Give it a try, prehaps that may be an inexpensive alternative for now.

For our guitar amp we use exclusivly tube... a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier through an old Marshall JCM 4-12. Talk about tone. We use the line 6 pods for home recording, for us it works but may or may not be for you.

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I'm looking at so many guitar, amplifiers, effects and software options right now that my brain is overloaded. This is the part of playing guitar that I find maddening. I sometimes think that I should've taken up synthesizer keyboards instead.

I'm still torn between my top three guitar choices. I can't figure out if I want to buy a low powered tube amp (to saturate it at low volumes), a high powered tube amp (to get the headroom for sparkling cleans), a tube amp with variable power control (not that many out there), and a bunch of expensive analog outboard effects. Or, do I buy a cheap solid state amp and just run analog effects or digital modelling boards into it? Or, wait for improved modelling amps that can do it all with believable reproduced tone accuracy (don't know when that will finally happen)? Or, do I just go for the modelling software and practice through my computer until my perfect (but reasonably priced) amplifier falls into my lap? All I know is that I want sparkling clean tones like that of a Vox AC30 and searing lead tones like that of a Marshall Plexi or JC800 with endless sustain, clear harmonics, and feedback on demand. I search the Web every day, I watch endless demonstration videos on YouTube, I inquire on bulletin boards, and yet the answer alludes me. MADDENING!!! :twisted: :shock: :roll:


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I'm looking at so many guitar, amplifiers, effects and software options right now that my brain is overloaded. This is the part of playing guitar that I find maddening. I sometimes think that I should've taken up synthesizer keyboards instead.

I'm still torn between my top three guitar choices. I can't figure out if I want to buy a low powered tube amp (to saturate it at low volumes), a high powered tube amp (to get the headroom for sparkling cleans), a tube amp with variable power control (not that many out there), and a bunch of expensive analog outboard effects. Or, do I buy a cheap solid state amp and just run analog effects or digital modelling boards into it? Or, wait for improved modelling amps that can do it all with believable reproduced tone accuracy (don't know when that will finally happen)? Or, do I just go for the modelling software and practice through my computer until my perfect (but reasonably priced) amplifier falls into my lap? All I know is that I want sparkling clean tones like that of a Vox AC30 and searing lead tones like that of a Marshall Plexi or JC800 with endless sustain, clear harmonics, and feedback on demand. I search the Web every day, I watch endless demonstration videos on YouTube, I inquire on bulletin boards, and yet the answer alludes me. MADDENING!!! :twisted: :shock: :roll:


That is why although I play guitar..and have for years and years..professionally I switched to Bass. Just plug it in and play. If you need to be louder you use more cabs..couldn't be simpler. Not advising anyone to switch to bass, don't get me wrong...but for me it was instant stress relief....lol

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ebaysux wrote:
That is why although I play guitar..and have for years and years..professionally I switched to Bass. Just plug it in and play. If you need to be louder you use more cabs..couldn't be simpler. Not advising anyone to switch to bass, don't get me wrong...but for me it was instant stress relief....lol


I hear you! I switched to bass when I played in a band, too. But now that I'm not in one for the time being, I have more fun practicing and jamming on guitar. There's a lot to be said for a solid bass player providing that backbone in the background (or foreground as is often the case in today's music). And there's a lot more work! Plus, as you pointed out, the gear headaches, expenses and streses are greatly reduced.

Does your band need a washboard player? hehehe


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not to mention,..they rarely go out of tune unless you smash into something..and, in 16 years of playing, I only broke a string ONCE!

A washboard player? Interesting..I love Zydeco music so you never know..lol

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I'm an "Old Fashion" guy, so I just go to a studio and do stuff there. I'm not really a pro at using computers, but it sounds cool too me! :D

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not to mention,..they rarely go out of tune unless you smash into something..and, in 16 years of playing, I only broke a string ONCE!

A washboard player? Interesting..I love Zydeco music so you never know..lol


In the 28 years of Semi-Professional playing, I have busted string at least 150 times! Can't believe you only broke a string once! Very hard to believe, unless you are an on/off player... :lol: :wink:

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EddieVanHelen wrote:
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not to mention,..they rarely go out of tune unless you smash into something..and, in 16 years of playing, I only broke a string ONCE!

A washboard player? Interesting..I love Zydeco music so you never know..lol


In the 28 years of Semi-Professional playing, I have busted string at least 150 times! Can't believe you only broke a string once! Very hard to believe, unless you are an on/off player... :lol: :wink:


You do realize we were discussing BASS guitar right? I play often and VERY hard. As a matter of fact I had to replace the bridge on my Musicman SR4 because I was literally pulling the strings off the saddles.

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Nope, I like to sound like me not someone else. I have a couple of amps and numerous effects that I change around for playing different kinds of music. Some of the modelling stuff is pretty neat though.

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